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The game doesn't deal with offsides correctly - there have been loads of screenshots and recordings of the official making the wrong offside call, and yet after the complaint is made the game states that 'replays indicate the referee made the correct decision'.
Basically the are two possible problems.
The first is that the media engine and the match engine are unrelated - that the media engine decides that the decision is correct/incorrect based on something other than the actual incident - this could be the referee rating, for example.
The second is that there could be a problem with the match engine itself. The graphical display could be at fault (not displaying players in the actual position the game thinks they are in) or the match engine may not be tracking the back line correctly.
Either way though - it sucks and should be fixed.
01-09-2008, 02:50 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #12
There may be a slight problem with the match engine, but to be fair, Tickers, the rules of offside are so confused and convoluted now that it's not always clear in RL. Daylight or no daylight, just lowerbody or upperbody, interferring with play or not...
There isn't much for Paul C and his henchmen to work with until FIFA actually come up with a set of rules that their officials are capable of understanding and enforcing consistently. Even then mistakes will be made frequently and they should be replicated in the match engine. All in all I don't think it does a bad job of emulating the offside mess. The media just needs a good overhaul.
01-09-2008, 02:54 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #13
Originally posted by smass:
There may be a slight problem with the match engine, but to be fair, Tickers, the rules of offside are so confused and convoluted now that it's not always clear in RL. Daylight or no daylight, just lowerbody or upperbody, interferring with play or not...
There isn't much for Paul C and his henchmen to work with until FIFA actually come up with a set of rules that their officials are capable of understanding and enforcing consistently. Even then mistakes will be made frequently and they should be replicated in the match engine. All in all I don't think it does a bad job of emulating the offside mess. The media just needs a good overhaul.
True, but theres no excuse for players being flagged off when yards onside, and even when level with the guy passing the ball.
The offside decisions in FM08 are absolutely awful- SI need to work on just getting the basics right before throwing in random errors.
01-09-2008, 03:03 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #14
Originally posted by smass:
I guess I just haven't seen it happen any more often than it does in RL for it to stand out as a problem in my game. I must be luckofteny
Its not so much how often itoften happens (otherwise people would be complaining more), more how it happens.
01-09-2008, 03:25 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #16
So it's a case of the player being so far onside that it there's no way it could ever be considered a true reflection of football? There's no way it can be a case of just the odd ludicrous decision and bad officialdom? Does the following media item get it wrong as well?
01-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #17
Originally posted by smass:
All in all I don't think it does a bad job of emulating the offside mess. The media just needs a good overhaul.
Smass - well said.
I no I have no right to ask this but I didn't start this thread so people could post about their offsides / onsides and generally slag off SI for the treatment of the offside rule in the game. It was started about the media reaction to such decisions.
I am (only) in my 4th season and have never seen the "FA keep quite as it may have been the wrong decision" comment mentioned in the 2nd post. I believe this should occur much more frequently. I should still get fined or banned as this is what happens IRL but the media should more often side with the "wronged manager" than the refs as lets face all the media loves to have a go at refs IRL.
I take the point about the match engine and players not being exactly where they appear and should not have brought up my offside goal in the thread - I like the fact that things appear to be wrong often as they are IRL - I just want the media to side with me (or the AI managers) and against the refs a bit more as this would be more realistic I believe.
Finally, does anyway have any comment my idea (above) about your assistant and coaching staff all giving their thoughts on whether a pen should or should not have been given rather than just watching 2 circles collide......
01-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #18
Originally posted by smass:
So it's a case of the player being so far onside that it there's no way it could ever be considered a true reflection of football? There's no way it can be a case of just the odd ludicrous decision and bad officialdom? Does the following media item get it wrong as well?
Yeah thats pretty much it, and yeah the media gets it wrong too. I think its a known issue though.
Nowhere near as annoying as the one v one issues, or the issues pre-patch though.
01-09-2008, 03:42 PM
Although replays did seem to indicate the ref amde the correct decision Post #19
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