retired_\.../_METAL_\..

why do you believed so strongly in your theories, im not saying there neccesarily wrong, but you talk about the game as though it is real life, and although fm is the most realistic simulation of management available, it is still in fact, a game. what if all these theories have no relevance in the game whatsoever. what if the rule of one, two, and global didnt actually mean anything. im not critisising them or the people who make them, i just feel that sometimes, people get carried away with there tactic making and theories and actually forget that it is infact a game they are talking about.

retired_sabrinalucyshyn

the bigger question is why do you care what they care about?

Secondly it obviously meant something as they have created some of the most successful tactics on this board and have helped tons of people create their own.

It's really funny to me how people get angry at each other for the way they play a game at home in private. Like editor vs. non editor, llama vs. big name team. Tactic guru vs. casual player.

who cares, be glad the option to read through their posts is there. No other game ever had a community like this that i can recall. Part of the fun of this series to me anyway was always coming here and reading about it between contiuation timeouts.

retired_thedizzyangel

Don't get this at all.

What do you want people like me to do who enjoy coming up with different winning formulas, just load up a 442 and pick 11 players because it's not real life?

Isn't it pretty much the same thing in football in real life? Managers trying to outwit the guy in the opposing dugout?

retired_\.../_METAL_\..

some of the people on here need to get a life outside fm

retired_thedizzyangel

So because they appear to spend a lot of time on a theory means they have no life?

If I remember correctly our best known "tactical guru" has lived in more countries than I've been on holiday too in my life. Does he have no life because he enjoys FM? It's not all black and white you know, there's room for many different shades in between.

retired_acivin

If I were to defend these 'tactical gurus', I'd say this:
It is human psychology. When you acheive something, it makes you feel good. Only that interests of these people are deeply vested in football, and ways to make it more fun. So, FM is like life outside life. Real life if you can take it. + I think these people are doing a great job putting up their theories for us to view and argue, and we are doing a bloody sad job trying to question their motives. But hey, I am just one voice in thousands.

retired_provrb7

I'm sorry but what you just said there makes no sense what so ever. Why do we believe in what we've created in the game? Because it bloody well works that's why.

Errm.. We created these "theories" with the game in mind so of course it is relevant.

If they didn't mean anything then they wouldn't obviously work but everyone has they're preferred way of playing the game. Basically the RoO, RoT and Global are basically ideas thrown out to everyone to try and test themselves.

Why do you really care? It's not like Cleon, Buxton, wwfan, Diaby, Jep or anyone else for that matters has to release anything, we can just have a forum full of moaners like you and people saying "Where is the Diablo tactic?" threads. Would that be more satisfactory for you?

retired_mgavlick

My interest in writing theories for FM started because I was frustrated with the difficulty of FM06 and had time on my hands. Once in it then becomes difficult to get out.

However, recently I have found discussions relating to FM on this and other forums beginning to have more and more relevance to my professional life. My field of expertise is ambiguity, ambivalence, irony, paradox and the limitations of rationality in leadership and organization theory. Major elements of my research is understanding how people react to semi-understood and/or semi-coherent rationally designed strategies; how people cope with the angst/stress of failing to live up to their leadership hopes and coming to terms with the limitations of their achievements; the emotional responses that accompany such realisation; naturalhuman disposition towards zealotism and cynicsim (to cope with the agony of ambivalence (loving and hating the same object)) compared to the more mature response of juggling emotional commitment/distance within the tension of these dichtomies; the skilful redrawing of the rules of the game to allow an authentic relationship with that tension.

I'm sure it is reasonably easy to see the parallels with FM management and the FM forums. It is a wonderful resource for me. I certainly don't see my continuing commitment to the game as a sign of my lack of life outside the game, rather the game and my relationship to the game/forums being an integral part of enjoying my life and adding vitality to my work. I regard my participation here as being exceedingly fortunate and an incredibly interesting reservoir of information about the game and the theories of life/living/managing/working I am concerned with.

I realise that makes us all lab-rats, but.......


Don't assume we are all here because we have a relationship with FM that precludes non-FM activities and a fulfilling life. Motivations are different across the board. I have explained my current one but it will continue to shift and morph over time. The constant is a love of FM and wanting to play/understand it but others shift in and out of foucs all the time. Life is plural. All we have to do is manage this pulrality in the way that most allows us to enjoy ourselves. To offer evaluations on actions and motivations based on a limited perception of the person involved (which is unavoidable in an online forum) or life in general is irrational, illogical and unjustifiable. Of course FM is just a game, but so is life. Why should one be so serious whilst the other isn't, or visa versa.

Remember this at all times and you can never go too wrong.....

‘everything should be playful and everything should be serious’

(Karl Wilhelm) Friedrich von Schlegel (1772-1829)

retired_slayerbing

Who are you to tell people what they should be doing with their Leisure time?

People that come here do so because it is a community where likeminded people can come and share their ideas, views and theories about a game they all enjoy.

I personally come on here because I live in New Zealand and no one I know plays the game here. In fact the computer shop I bought it in probably only stocked about ten copies of the game.

So for me coming on here is desirable because I can chat to people who share my enjoyment of the game.

If you find it so bizarre for people to come on here like we do and share ideas on how to play the game better why don't you leave since it is obviously such an affront to your beliefs.

retired_\.../_METAL_\..

i am not the type of person to ask for tactics or to moan about 'I CANT WIN GIVE ME A SUPERTACTIC NOW!' . i merely asked my original question meaning that sometimes people forget that it is a game and not real life. i didnt mean any offense to people so sorry if i did. my second post was not very well thought out lol. but i didnt mean it to be a rant, just a question as why people think the tactics are so like real life.