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I’ve been doing a lot of reading in here, particularly wwfan & Cleons stuff and combining this with my own tactical theory I think that the issue of mentality is being perceived incorrectly.
First of I believe that there is no difference between team & individual mentality and the only thing that changing individual mentality does is override team mentality much as it does for creative freedom etc…….
Do what is mentality then?
Well I believe that mentality only governs the standard position a player takes up on the pitch relative to his current position. For example take a central midfielder with mentality of 10 - His standard position will be in the middle of central midfield. One with a mentality of 5 will have a more defensive midfield standard position and one of 15 a more attacking midfield standard position.
You see where I’m going with that I hope.
So what does this mean? Combined with understanding the opposition we can anticipate where we would like our team to play as a group. i.e. If we have a set 442 as a formation and we have a potentially tough away game we can set team mentality to 5 safe in the knowledge that every players standard position will be slightly further back i.e. more defensive than a normal set.
Same for an home game for example or a game where attacking would be the ideal we can set team mentality to 15. Obviously 1 and 20 would be the ultimate opposites of this idea. 1 for ultra def and 20 for ultra att.
This idea can be stretched further though. If for example you like a short passing game then ideally your players would need to be closer together on the pitch and thus make the short passing option easier. If we raise our back four’s mentality to 12 and lower the front pair to 8 then the team will be slightly closer together.
Now having your defenders mentality higher than your forwards may scare some people but if as I believe there is no other function for mentality than where your players are standing on the pitch then I see no harm in doping this.
Passing type, creative freedom and forward runs control all other aspects of each players decisions.
If I’m wrong on this does someone have positive proof btw?
I partly disagree. The word that would describe what you are talking about is 'positioning' not mentality. I agree with you that mentality does affect positioning but I don't believe that is all.
If you pull mentality slider over to one extreme it is 'all out attack' This suggests little about positioning but more about what the priority is between attack and defense.
I believe this influences positioning as a matter of course but is not the sole instruction that directs it.
I feel if you instruct your defenders to have a higher mentality than your forwards you are telling them that attacking is more important than defending.
Originally posted by Dayle Wood:
I partly disagree. The word that would describe what you are talking about is 'positioning' not mentality. I agree with you that mentality does affect positioning but I don't believe that is all.
If you pull mentality slider over to one extreme it is 'all out attack' This suggests little about positioning but more about what the priority is between attack and defense.
I believe this influences positioning as a matter of course but is not the sole instruction that directs it.
I feel if you instruct your defenders to have a higher mentality than your forwards you are telling them that attacking is more important than defending.
Couldn't 'All out attack' imply that you take an all out attack position?
Do you think individual mentalily is different to team mentality Dayle?
Originally posted by Sifire:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Dayle Wood:
I partly disagree. The word that would describe what you are talking about is 'positioning' not mentality. I agree with you that mentality does affect positioning but I don't believe that is all.
If you pull mentality slider over to one extreme it is 'all out attack' This suggests little about positioning but more about what the priority is between attack and defense.
I believe this influences positioning as a matter of course but is not the sole instruction that directs it.
I feel if you instruct your defenders to have a higher mentality than your forwards you are telling them that attacking is more important than defending.
Couldn't 'All out attack' imply that you take an all out attack position?
Do you think individual mentalily is different to team mentality Dayle? </BLOCKQUOTE>I think all out attack implies a change in the STYLE you play ie/ more aggressive as opposed to normal or defensive.
As far as the indiviual vs team debate I don't profess to know the answer to that.
But here is word for word what the manual says which partly says you are right (and me too )
"As a general instruction it will guide your team and control how they play. Individually it will instruct players where to generally line up and how aggressive to be."
That to me suggests that you are probably right about positioning but it is equally emphasises how aggressive you are so with that in mind I'd say positioning alone isn't what mentality is about.
I think it's all about balance really. Your overall team mentality is surely prevalent over personal mentality. While at the same time personal mentality is integral to absolute disposition as a whole.
The manual says that indiviual instructions "work alongside team instructions" which to me means that team mentality will still have SOME sort of effect on a player who has indidual ticked.
But the manual is a little ambiguous as it doesn't elaborate which I think needs to be cleared up in the future so the tactic gurus can rest easy
I believe that all individual instructions do is change the team instructions for the paticular player.
I don't see how they can work injunction or anything else like that, surely they just override?
The manual leaves alot to be desired tbh.
Here's a scenario for you then, say that you want your players to push high up the pitch but still have a defensive mindset. From what is being said about the mentality slider this would be impossible as moving players further up the pitch also means they are instructed to attack more according to many peeps in this forum.
I couldn't imagine playing the game without setting up personal mentality in correspondence to a players position and role in the team.
In summary, I have also been troubled by this issue. For example: You need a goal and are entering the last 10 minutes, so you decide to go All Out Attack. Now, one would assume this will influence your personal player mentality and shift the absolute team disposition as a whole. All the same, I have found myself sliding up individual player mentality in such situations just in case this isn't so.
Originally posted by Sifire:
The manual leaves alot to be desired tbh.
Here's a scenario for you then, say that you want your players to push high up the pitch but still have a defensive mindset. From what is being said about the mentality slider this would be impossible as moving players further up the pitch also means they are instructed to attack more according to many peeps in this forum.
But how are you tellng your players to move higher up the pitch? If you mean by means of the D/line then that only comes into effect when you don't have the ball.
Higher up the pitch as we have agreed is influenced by mentality but also forward run frequency, passing, creative freedom and time wasting.
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