Rickooko

Exactly.

For long i think SI have spend lesser and lesser time on each release and rush out the game in concern with 1 soccer season per game.

It might work a few years back but now the game engine is much complex then it was. FM is no longer a game SI can handle it with their resource in schedule of 1 season 1 game. (And dont forget SI have spread their resource into other products as well)

Either SI increase their resource to catch up with the pace or they should consider release FM every 2 seasons, perhaps with players data update in-between.

I am not fool enough to buy anymore rushing out FM products unless i see no major fault on forum after release. And i am sure i am not the only one.

poggo

It's posts like these that get decent constructive threads closed. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Very very true.

If you could put things on a scale, generally, there's open-hearted, constructive posting, then there's whinging, moaning, then there's plain rage, utter drivel, then flaming, than plain spitting in the face of whoever happens to be in a thread.

The thing is (as proved countless times in the past), the last three things are usually done by people who are not interested in helping find a solution. "OMG!!!1111 THEY'VE GONE TO THE BAHAMAS/MALDIVES/WHEREVER BY TAKING OUR MONEY FOR A BROKEN GAME!!!!! SI SUXXXXORZ LOL!!!!ONE" is not an attitude at all, it's chavness and stupidity as plain as the nose on the poor bastard's faces.

Now, after venting out, I'd like to add a thing from my experience. I pay utmost attention to everything concerning registration, because several times in the past I had quite simply forgot to register my newest acquisition to the squad. Tes, I was stupid, and I try to make sure that it doesn't happen to me again in FM2008.

So I did everything as it should be done: I didn't go on holiday, I didn't skip the news item, I registered on time, no problems apparent, and still bang. "Unr".

I can think of only one possible explanation, although it may sound stupid. Namely, I wander if there's any difference between clicking "auto register" than "confirm", and manually choosing numbers and then confirming, or even clearing all numbers, autoregistering numbers, then confirming.

I think this bug maybe stroke posters that have a certain habit of clicking their way through the process, possibly learned and inherited from days of old. Maybe it's the process itself that's fecked up.

But, as I said in another thread, I already play in Italy, so meh. I say, let's give everybody another chance and test it with the patch, whenever it may come. Now, if the bug reoccurs then, everybody will know that something's seriously wrong.

Lastly, I am sorry for posting something with a length of an average stylish modern novel.

Neyles

I'm getting increasing frustrated by this sort of comment. You don't have a problem? Good for you but please refrain to speak on behalf of everyone. Spain, in my game, is nowhere near playable. Fact.

Ergo, my post was unreasonable? Excuse me but I misquoted no one. LSS's original MJ quote was fragmented although with a link to the original post. All I did was to go back and check the facts. I would advise you to do the same before passing judgment on yet another topic.

Hawshiels

I'm getting increasing frustrated by this sort of comment. You don't have a problem? Good for you but please refrain to speak on behalf of everyone. Spain, in my game, is nowhere near playable. Fact.. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have a problem? Are you reading my posts or trying to read something between the lines?

I am saying that I do have this problem but it is playable if you do these things. Is it ideal? No, of course not and I would like it to be fixed because I also have some problems with B teams and C teams not being registered properly. But I have listened to the fact that this is being fixed for the patch and I am willing to put up with it until then.

And just for the sake of clarity .... I'm speaking for myself - not everyone.

And .... p.s.

You wrote : "Why is a fix needed when, according to SI, nothing is wrong?"

As I've already mentioned .... If you would read the posts properly you would again see that Miles did not say that "nothing is wrong". In fact what he said was ...... [I've included it here for you to save time looking]

I guess you aren't going to be happy with the answer, but the initial question has now been answered (as it has in many other threads too). The fix for this (which is, as was said above, ensuring that you cannot continue the game without putting your squad in) will be in the next patch that we will release with updated data, somewhere towards the end of Feb/begining of March.

TheFuzzyOne

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!
The adrenalin is getting a bit high here, lets all relax...
first let me say that i got the game AS A PRESENT from my good friend who also plays fm, and because i said i didn't pay for it, my above account for banned. the usernames are very similar, you should be able to see it.

Secondly, to ban me just like that, a bit unjust isn't it? but i wont push it further, lest i get banned again, and have to get another account(i am running out of emails!)

let's all relax here and let SI do their stuff,it's their game and we pay them so everybody's equal here...

and whos the poof who said about my location being a hotbed for piracy? to be honest, the government(no offence here)here cracks down hard on piracy. however, across the border, there is a quaint place called malaysia. that is where piracy comes from my friends. not Singapore(which is a pleasant place, go there sometime)

TheFuzzyOne

sorry, forget about the usernames being similar, just find the singapore guy.

(i came from the UK btw)

HonkyDick

Hawshiels - If you would read posts properly you would notice that registering players isn't the main issue. The main issue is the random un-registering of players.

Also, March??? WTF???? why bother.

TheFuzzyOne

nice name there dude

kipfizh

I think this actually misses the point of the problem.

I've seen it suggested many times that releases are spread further apart to allow more time for testing and tuning. While this sounds like a very sensible idea on the face of it, I'm not sure it would make any difference.

Firstly, you've got the problem of what is done with the extra time. Even at present, if people are not happy with dramatic new features between releases, they do get very vocal, and therefore SI have to incorporate new ideas into each release. Making the gap two years will only increase this. I've been in software development long enough to know that the minute you secure more time to work on a project, the powers that be (usually customers, who drive everything) squeeze more features in to the time you had penned for internal improvements.

The upshot of this is that over a two year span, SI would be expected to make the releases more diverse. I know some in this thread will argue that actually, they wouldn't mind an incremental release with less bugs taking two years, but if that actually was the case, I can guarantee they'd be a lot of unhappy people out there, and numerous threads springing up along the lines of 'you've had two years, and that's all the new features you've come up with?'.

That said, you wouldn't necessarily expect twice the features, so there is an argument to say you'd have more testing time. So the question is, would it help?

The trouble with a game like FM is that it is so open-ended and diverse that you cannot possibly replicate every scenario. This is clearly shown by those very people who play many seasons and never see the most common of bugs. There is a certain luck element to most - rarely does a bug appear that affects everyone, because those are caught early.

Now, you can say 'fine, hire more testers', but the reality is that SI could hire as many testers as they can afford and they still won't find everything.

Take this bug for example. From what I understand (and I may be wrong), it is a bug that occurs in the Spanish league, and can be avoided, although it isn't necessarily obvious how.

It is fair to assume that the testing team should test every country (which in itself is an onorous task). Because there are so many, it isn't impossible to suggest only one or two testers play the Spanish leagues. If they both register their players correctly, do not go on holiday, etc, the bug is easily missed.

The one point I'm making is - sometimes what seems like a 'how did they miss that?' bug is actually a lot easier to miss that you think. And no matter if they fix 19 out of the 20 bugs in that area, it is the one that remains that causes all the problems and complaints. It is foolish of any of us to rate a testing team when we don't know what magnitude of bugs they're finding and fixing before the game is even released.

I'm not having a go at anyone here, I'm just suggesting, from my own experience, that it isn't as easy as you might think to release a game in better condition than each FM iteration. And that a two year cycle, even if viable from a business point of view, might not make any difference at all.

Bububu

I started the initial thread, and I never got the chance to reply. This thread will have to do.

I knew about the problem before I started a new game managing Ath. Madrid. However, even though I did what you describe, I got the same problem as everyone else.

I could play the first liga game fine, but then I bought a new player and had to give him a squad number. That started the bug and the next game han zero registred players.

A waste of over five hours.

So no, the Spanish league is not playable. Maybe for some who is willing to save-reload numerous times. But not for me who just want a game that works without jumping through hoops and loops.