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Old 11-08-2006, 02:33 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #31
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In my Exeter game I think I'll revert back to 6. Not sure whether to persist with the tight marking or not either- I feel that this instruction's still a bit ambiguous too.
I use it against the teams I would expect to beat, or for dangerous players. But I don't use it 24/7.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:35 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #32
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What's your take on it? I've heard several, but I'm unsure. I'm unclear as to whether it should be used in a man-marking system or a zonal one. Probably the former I guess.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:40 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #33
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Crossing is rarely too, because he doesn't go forward. I like my back 4 to stay back at all times. I could be a lot more adventerous at times, but id rather keep a tight defence and clean sheet at all times.
so if your 4 defenders stay always back did you created any changes to score? How playingg wingers without support fb? One more question your MCd or Dmc has for.runs rearly too? And did you use tight marking for back 4? Thanx for help. I`m glad to your opinion![/QUOTE]

I created 2 units of players, 5 defensive minded and 5 attack minded. My back 4 and the DMC, all they have to do is defend. The attacking part comes from my midfield and strikers. I find 5 defence minded and 5 attack minded players a good balance. If I wanted I could go 6 attack minded players instead, but atm I don't have the players for that.

My defence minded players play direct passing, so they get the ball from a to b in the fastest possible way.

The DMC is set to stay back yeah, he must stay back at all times to stop counter attacks from the opposition.[/QUOTE]

Cleon what sort of settings do you have for the DMC? Mine seems to do a good job getting into the right position, (Mentality 8, passing mixed/short) but I'm having trouble getting his closing down balanced. He's either rushing at the opposition or simply letting them run onto him.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:47 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #34
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What's your take on it? I've heard several, but I'm unsure. I'm unclear as to whether it should be used in a man-marking system or a zonal one. Probably the former I guess.
Personally id use it for zonal and not man marking.

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Cleon what sort of settings do you have for the DMC? Mine seems to do a good job getting into the right position, (Mentality 8, passing mixed/short) but I'm having trouble getting his closing down balanced. He's either rushing at the opposition or simply letting them run onto him.
About same as yours, really short passing 4 and closing down 16. I want him to charge about and bully yhr opposition, thats why he closes down so high.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:58 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #35
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Asmodeus:
What's your take on it? I've heard several, but I'm unsure. I'm unclear as to whether it should be used in a man-marking system or a zonal one. Probably the former I guess.
Personally id use it for zonal and not man marking.

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Cleon what sort of settings do you have for the DMC? Mine seems to do a good job getting into the right position, (Mentality 8, passing mixed/short) but I'm having trouble getting his closing down balanced. He's either rushing at the opposition or simply letting them run onto him.
About same as yours, really short passing 4 and closing down 16. I want him to charge about and bully yhr opposition, thats why he closes down so high. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers, I'll keep him as he is and tinker with the back four as per your suggestions and see if I get a better balance.

I like the idea of one of the DC clossing down a little more than the other. I've always kept them on the same mental settings so I'll give this a go.
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Do most people favour the use of a DMC in front of a back four as opposed to a defensive MC then?
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Old 11-08-2006, 03:05 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #37
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I have noticed one thing and this should probably help those who want to create a deadly duo in midfield. If you want the DM and the MC to form a great partnership..ie one wins and the other spreads the play, then that is exactly the instructions you need to give. One on TTB and low closing down and the other on high closing down and no TTB. You will also need to adjust the mentality settings so that the 2 are not too close together. I have found that the DMC needs to have his mentality higher than the DCs but lower or the same as the fullbacks so that they all play as one unit and the MC is set on a higher mentality with the rest of the attack force.

Ideally I agree with Cleon as well, the best way to set things up is 5 x 5. Its possible to go 6 x 6 but that requires much better players
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Old 11-08-2006, 03:10 PM   The Back Four Discussion Thread. Post #38
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Do most people favour the use of a DMC in front of a back four as opposed to a defensive MC then?
I think a DMC is essential in any formation. Id rather have a DMC than a defensive MC. It just seems to work better for me, although its probably my imagination lol.

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Ideally I agree with Cleon as well, the best way to set things up is 5 x 5. Its possible to go 6 x 6 but that requires much better players
6x6 is good, but a bitch to sort out. A little time consuming too, plus lots of frustration. Or maybe thats just me
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I was always an advocate of 5 x 5, but usually with two MCs set up differently.
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On my Milan game, i found that i conceded less when i used a MCd instead of a DMC, no matter how odd that might seem :eek:
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