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12-23-2006, 05:36 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #11 | | Senior Member
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You mean you instruct the other centre-back to man-mark and the other to play zonal, presuming we are talking about back of four?
| Sorry yeah, I should have made it more clear  Even in a back 3 id make them man mark, or if you wanted to, you could have a DMC man mark if you employ one. There are so many ways to combat this, but I just stick to man marking as its what works for me.
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12-23-2006, 06:40 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #12 | | Junior Member
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I have some questions.
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If the other team is playing a tactic with only ONE striker, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1 or something like that, should I man-mark him or not?
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What settings do you use on wingers...man mark? closing down? hard tackling? Please help on this one.
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I have destructive problems away. What should I take in mind when playing a middle team away? Because I tend to loose many points...
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How do I get more quality chances? Sometimes i cant even get to the box because they have a wall of players protecting it. I am trying to play wider, but how wide? Passing? Tempo?
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If my OM C has 10~ on long shots should I put him on rarely or mixed long shots instead of often?
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How do you play against teams who use 3-4-3(sarrows on strikers) 4-1-2-2(aml,amr)-1
Thanks in advance...
P.S English is not my native language
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12-23-2006, 06:57 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #13 | | Senior Member
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If the other team is playing a tactic with only ONE striker, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-2-1 or something like that, should I man-mark him or not?
| Is he likely to cause you problems? Is he a goalscoring threat, or more a player who holds the ball up for runners? Quote: |
What settings do you use on wingers...man mark? closing down? hard tackling? Please help on this one.
| Im not gonna go into that in this thread, as ive stated in varioud threads already the settings I use etc. I want to keep this thread for focusing on the original post and don't want to get side tracked and discuss something else. Quote: |
I have destructive problems away. What should I take in mind when playing a middle team away? Because I tend to loose many points...
| Listen to the scout reports, they normally give you hints of what to do. Quote: |
How do I get more quality chances? Sometimes i cant even get to the box because they have a wall of players protecting it. I am trying to play wider, but how wide? Passing? Tempo?
| There is no set tempo, passing, or width to use. It varies game to game so its hard to say. If they are camped on edge of their own box though, you can normally play pretty fast tempo and quite attacking, this creates lots of chances for me playing this style. Even if im a weaker team, I can still break teams down. Quote: |
If my OM C has 10~ on long shots should I put him on rarely or mixed long shots instead of often?
| Depends on the level you are playing at, at conference level id have him often, but in EPL id have him rarely. Quote: |
How do you play against teams who use 3-4-3(sarrows on strikers) 4-1-2-2(aml,amr)-1
| Exactly the same as id play against a 451, 352, 442 etc, I don't take notice of the shape. Its more about how they play than shape. Again the scout report is vital for telling you how a team plays. Then I decide what style I play i.e fast tempo, slow tepo, short passing etc.
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12-23-2006, 07:43 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #14 | | Junior Member
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Thanks cleon to your answers.
First question:
Yes! He is more of a guy who holds up the ball so the offensive wingers can run in and score almost immediately. But he is of course a goalscoring threat too...Well when I check my defenders for man-marking they recommend DC ?? against one striker...I find that odd.
As you can see the wingers give me heavy problems, can you link me a page where you describe your settings vs wingers? Thx
Third and last: Sorry for asking but do you have a thread describing what the scout reports say, because I have big problems figuring out what the scout tells me.
Comments on fourth question
Well I was wondering about quality chances because I cant get any versus middle-bottom teams. I am Lazio 2016 and can't score vs **** teams because they like to build walls...
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12-23-2006, 07:44 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #15 | | Junior Member
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Originally posted by theivan:
Thanks cleon for your answers.
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12-23-2006, 07:53 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #16 | | Senior Member
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Yes! He is more of a guy who holds up the ball so the offensive wingers can run in and score almost immediately. But he is of course a goalscoring threat too...Well when I check my defenders for man-marking they recommend DC ?? against one striker...I find that odd.
| Personally id not man mark him then, I would however be very wary of the wingers who he holds the ball up for. Id have my wingers man mark so they track them back for you. Quote: |
Third and last: Sorry for asking but do you have a thread describing what the scout reports say, because I have big problems figuring out what the scout tells me.
| I don't I'm afraid. However its normally straight forward, if they for example play a fast direct counter attacking game. Then you can generally play attacking and a slow tempo, short passing game. By doing this you have more possessin of the ball and frustrate the opposition. And vice versa if they play the short passing game, you go direct and fast. Quote: |
Well I was wondering about quality chances because I cant get any versus middle-bottom teams. I am Lazio 2016 and can't score vs **** teams because they like to build walls...
| I generally go very attacking against rubbish opposition, I don'tfind breaking them down a problem. It might be a case that you are playing too fast currently and a slow patient build up play might be more suited for your shape of formation.
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12-23-2006, 09:17 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #17 | | Junior Member
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I always get confused between Closing Down and Tight Marking.
Closing Down is when you close down a player who has the ball, to try and prevent him passing, right? So you'd close down wingers and faster strikers. Tight Marking on fast strikers would lead to the striker just leaving him in the dust as he speeds past, wouldn't it?
Whereas for guys looking to recieve the ball, you'd use Tight Marking to make sure that if a pass is made, it doesn't get to him. Correct?
So given your classic Shearer/Owen partnership, you'd tightly mark Shearer and close down Owen?
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12-23-2006, 09:39 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #18 | | Senior Member
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Originally posted by D-Lyrium:
I always get confused between Closing Down and Tight Marking.
Closing Down is when you close down a player who has the ball, to try and prevent him passing, right? So you'd close down wingers and faster strikers. Tight Marking on fast strikers would lead to the striker just leaving him in the dust as he speeds past, wouldn't it?
Whereas for guys looking to recieve the ball, you'd use Tight Marking to make sure that if a pass is made, it doesn't get to him. Correct?
So given your classic Shearer/Owen partnership, you'd tightly mark Shearer and close down Owen?
| No, tight marking would just mean you mirror his movements and would stick to him. The closingdown would determine when a tackle was made. Higher the closing down, sooner he'd tackle
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12-23-2006, 09:57 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #19 | | Junior Member
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Originally posted by D-Lyrium:
So given your classic Shearer/Owen partnership, you'd tightly mark Shearer and close down Owen?
| You'd tight mark Shearer AND close him down, to stop him getting the knock on, or playing the clevel pass.
You'd give Owen a yard or two and wouldn't close him down, as getting too close and diving in would just allow him to skip past you and race away.
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12-23-2006, 10:32 PM
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Tactic Tweaking – The what, where, when and how!!!! Post #20 | | Junior Member
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Is it an unwritten rule to close down players with low first touch whatever position?
If the scout reports say that you should watch out for Rooney (play maker). Is there an idea to tight mark every player around Rooney so he has no one to pass to?
The same with a target player? Quote:
Originally posted by Kristian:
You'd tight mark Shearer AND close him down, to stop him getting the knock on, or playing the clevel pass.
You'd give Owen a yard or two and wouldn't close him down, as getting too close and diving in would just allow him to skip past you and race away.
| So you tightmark + close down slow players and only tightmark fast players?
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