retired_flower115

What was I saying earlier about the Leeds board expectation!?



Why were the board even thinking about sacking me?

retired_skullking1971

I think there is certainly some fault in here somewhere. I mean look at this...
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Now there are two issues here.
1) GOALS CONCEDED - How can the opposition score 3 goals from 3 shots on target. This is highly unlikely irl.
2) GOALS SCORED - The stats appear to show that my strikers had an off day, but this screen tells a different story...
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So the oppo G/K has a Man of the Match 9 rating, looking back over his last 5 games shows that the highest he had was a 7.
Come on all you non believers you've gotta open your eyes because the evidence is easy to see.

retired_larson_luck

Anyone watch Aresenal v West Ham the other week? Rob Green hasn't had the best of seasons between the sticks, but played an absolute blinder against a dominant Arsenal, and the Hammers even nicked a goal with their only chance and won the game.

This sort of thing happens quite often in football, usually when an average keeper makes a good save early in a game it gives him confidence, and the busier he is kept, the better he will play as the game goes on, and the more frustrated the world-class strikers will become. Meanwhile, the world-class keeper at the other end is doing nothing all day, then suddenly the opposition make a sneaky last minute attack and he fails to save it, probably because he hasn't been practising for the last 89 minutes like his opposite number.

This happens quite frequently in the real world, therefore it is reflected in the game.

retired_DonnyLFC

IMO, it's nothing to do with tactics in these cases, I just think that the game takes luck into account way too much sometimes. I mean I know its supposed to be realism, but, somewhere in the engine there is an error that makes 50% of games a lucky win for a side. I would say fair enough but when i look at all the other games in the league i struggle to find these sort of results.

retired_noor81

andysafc:

I've been collecting some numbers from past data in my games, while I wait for Millie to come over the thread and see if he wants it. I'd like to play a few more seasons to have more data to work with and a bigger sample size. But, going by what I've observed so far in four seasons with two different clubs in two different leagues, I can tell you this:

MoM and the actual rating are separate stats. And as I've found out, they're not necessarily related. You should examine them separately.

For example, if you wanna focus on the MoM, then don't worry about the rating. If you play against (x) keeper and he gets a MoM, go back and see how many MoM he received previously. Perhaps he really is one of the best performers in the team (not at all strange for small sides) and he always gets his share of MoM through the season.

To show a 'super keeper' via MoM you need to look at how many keepers received their first, or only, seasonal MoM against you, and this happening often.

As far as match rating, you can look at the keeper's seasonal average and see if his performance against you was exceedingly above that average. One keeper playing a blinder against you is not indicative of anything, but several keepers performing way above their seasonal average only against you, yes, it can be indicative of something else.

StewDogg

I'm sorry Millie but your analysis shows nothing in relation to what many people are talking about. Your stats show that your games are roughly equal in terms of shots on goal for you and those for the opposition.

What we're talking about here is when the human team has many more CLEAR shots on goal (ie: not shots from outside of the area or half chances), from a striker(s) whose confidence is sufficiently high, has all of the relevant attributes (first touch, finishing, technique and composure) and is a proven goalscorer who for some bizarre reason suddenly can't put the ball away.

And the AI who are creating as few chances as they had done previously but suddenly find that there's some magical route to your goal that's like the parting of the Red Sea! It's just not realistic and no amount of tactic bibles will convince me that the AI is not in some way flawed!

retired_skullking1971

Looking at the above screens posted by myself anyone could argue it happens irl. Which could be true although i doubt that a team playing against the top of the League side would score with ALL three efforts on target.
My response to Kenco who showed Arsenal as an example which in my opinion is a wrong example. Arsenal are out of sorts this season and that is typical of whats been happening to them.
But looking at top of the table sides, which Asrenal are not, are Man Utd or Chelsea or even Sunderland likely to concede 3 goals from 3 efforts on target?
Evidence so far this season is saying NO!

retired_larson_luck

3 goals from 3 attempts is unlikely, but not impossible. If the AI team is bottom of the table against a top of the table team, it is natural that they would be on a very defensive mentality, inviting the opposition onto them, before hitting the occasional counter. These counters are often clear cut chances, because the top of the table team has committed men forward. I've done it many times being the underdog, where the AI team has battered me for Shots on target and possession, but I've nicked a 3-0 win away from home against a top side having only 3 shots at goal.

Sometimes you will simply be beaten by the much-improved AI, sometimes it's luck. But the luck goes both ways, just seems that nobody is interested in talking about the times they get lucky, just complaints when things don't go their way.

retired_fanito

I agree with Ruudfood. The more I play my game the more I'm convinced that the AI is flawed and I'm not saying that I'm opposed to it being able to adapt it's strategy during the games. I'm not at all opposed to a challenging AI, only to the kind that is basing the results on unrealistic BS (excuse my language).

I will confess that this version of the game was indeed confusing to me at first and I was here on these forums asking a ton of questions (still am) and reading all the tactical bibles I could find. Thankfully many knowledgeable and experienced players were able to help me understand what to do more or less. With time I became more comfortable with the game, such as tweaking tactics during the match to counter the AI. I was really starting to get the results I was expecting, consdering the kind of team I'm managaing, which would be Barca btw.

I have no problem with occasional losses of form, fluke matches, fluke goals and such. Days when it seems like you're dominating but just not getting the result. That is fine. This stuff happens to the best of teams in real life. However, what I simply can't come to terms with with is while you're doing well, performing upto your team's potential, and then literally the following game the entire team looks like it wouldn't even be able to beat a bunch of 12 year-old kids.

I'm currently still hitting a wall in practically every match. My amazing streak, which started in early December of my third season, is now continuing 2 months into my forth season. Where as results such as 2-0, 3-0, even 4-0 used to be a norm for my team when playing weaker and moderate opposition, are now long gone. Now the norm is winning 1-0 by some kind of fluke goal, or a corner kick or a free kick. Also those same teams are able to come back easier than ever before.

Example, playing Fenerbace away in CL. I was up 1-0 after 15 minutes. They get a guy sent off 5 mins later, so now I have numerical supperiority, great! I go with a more attacking and wider formation and promptly scoring 2 more goals. Later they pull one back which look like an absolute BS goals because the entire defense stood still and the GK couldn't make a simple save. Ok fine. Then I go ahead and score another one, so now I'm up 4-1 and thinking that I have this one in the bag. Wrong. Fenerbace, despite having less men starts to mount a comeback like I have never seen. All the sudden, it makes no difference that they have less players, because they all turn into Peles. They pull 2 more goals back and now I'm hanging on for dear life trying to defend my now very small lead of one goal.

Luckily, I finish wining the game 4-3 and look at the stats. Well, well, well what have we here. It seems I had 17 shots, 11 on goal, they had 6 shots, 3 on goal. And the feeling of absolute irritation starts to set in. Their keeper by the way finishes with MOM, of course.
That game felt like watching a lion trying to fight off a house cat. Rediculous.

Honestly, I really don't believe it's my tactics, because these same tactics worked marvelously for the first 2.5 seasons. I read the scout reports, do the tweaks, do the team talks, my training is fine too.

I took a break from the game for a few days, just to re-focus. Came back, but nothing changed, the strikers are still hitting everything in the stadium except the back of the net. Still dominating most games but have little to show for it with results.

Anyways, I'll stop now. Please forgive me for this rant. It just feels more frusturating and irritating everytime I try to play these days.
I may even completely stop since it's silly to bang your head against something that you can't really change. I will be much more careful in the future about buying the next FM games.

I can now honestly say that this has been by far the worst FM experience for me to date and I've been playing since CM 00/01.

retired_skullking1971

Kenco: You got it wrong again mate. Stoke arn't a bottom of the league counter attacking side. They are in the top half and at home.
Everything i threw on target their G/K stopped, everything they threw at me went in.
That is two extremes going against me. I do believe that one extreme can go against you, but two in the same game?