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Originally posted by Nomis07:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by json1901:
Ok so this has bugged me for a while now.
When you start a new game its quite clear that their are a good few number of talented youth team players coming through with all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, kind of a general outlook into modern britain and the multi-cultural society we have created.
The regens though just seem completely void of this and it makes the game highly unrealistic.
Youve 5 times more chance of seeing a "dave" "bob" or "ian" rather than a "jemal" "duane" or "leroy".
And when these names do come out these lads are white, now i really dont wanna start up a whole race thing here, but its making the experience so unrealistic and seeing an england side 10 years on with 18 white englishmen with the names ben, mike, alan just isnt very forward thinking is it??
Um the only non-white English players in the current England first 11 are Cole and Wright-Philips, of which only one is a definate starter.
On top of this neither of them are called "jemal" "duane" or "leroy".
Originally posted by Kill Rock Stars:
i agree with the opening poster. the game is aiming for realism, and this isn't achieved by having a future england side entirely consisting of white guys called john
there are a lot of other things wrong with the game that should take precedence, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored.
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Nomis07:
Um the only non-white English players in the current England first 11 are Cole and Wright-Philips, of which only one is a definate starter.
On top of this neither of them are called "jemal" "duane" or "leroy".
england's last match featured micah richards, sol campbell, joleon lescott, shaun wright-phillips, jermain defoe and darren bent.
compare the real life england under 21s to the under 21 side you'll get in fm after several seasons. the latter wouldn't look out of place in the 1950s. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Out of your list only Richards is a regular and has only been a regular whilst Neville was injured (who's to say he will remain in that position under Capello), SWP is a bit part player who was dropped for Beckham. Defoe never gets a start, Joleon Lescott will not displace Terry or Ferdinand (who I admit I failed to mention apologies), Sol Campbell has played 2 games in the last few years and probably won't get recalled and as for Darren Bent the less said the better.
And further on my point regards the names; in the last England squad of 25 there were 10 non-white players 4 were named Sol, Joleon, Micah and Jermaine, the other names included David, Wes, Ashley, Shaun, Ashley and Darren so the comment is rather ridiculous.
Not to mention that the country has been ethnically diverse for a huge number of years now yet there is not a proliferation of non-white talent in the first 11, only 2 are definate starters and if we include Richards 3. Can anyone honeslty say that SWP, Young, Lescott and Bent are better than Bentley, Terry etc etc.
To turn this into a race debate is racisnm in itself and comments regards the BNP is quite frankly a lazy and childish avenue to go down. The fact remains and noone can dispute it the majority of the English team is white! That's not my problem and not my fault. If the first 11 was entirely non-white but were the best players in the country then that is exactly how it should be.
The people who have blinkered vision are the same type of person who wished to change the WORLD CUP WINNING South Africa team because there weren't enough "whites", it's entirely ludicrous.
As for the game, perhaps the name part is a factor that needs to be looked at although I have never encountered any problems with it. However in my game the current Engalnd team has a diverse blend of skin colour and I reiterate that it must just be the OP's game.
Get over yourselves and look at the facts before you make such ridiculous statements and castigate the sensible for your own ignorance.
blinkered vision so in ten years time you expect the english national side to be full of people called alan and dave then? my current game, in 2012, has no players with names such as sol, micah etc in the england under 21 and under 19 sides, other than players who were already in the database when the game started
try looking at the under 21 side, and at the youth sides of english teams at the start of the game. their diversity in terms of names isn't being reflected
the only reason this has started to turn into a race debate, i imagine, is your strange post earlier that seemed to be denying that more than two black players play for england
Originally posted by Kill Rock Stars:
blinkered vision so in ten years time you expect the english national side to be full of people called alan and dave then? my current game, in 2012, has no players with names such as sol, micah etc in the england under 21 and under 19 sides, other than players who were already in the database when the game started
try looking at the under 21 side, and at the youth sides of english teams at the start of the game. their diversity in terms of names isn't being reflected
the only reason this has started to turn into a race debate, i imagine, is your strange post earlier that seemed to be denying that more than two black players play for england
If you look back I stated that only 2 and perhaps 3 were regulars. This is fact. So a race debate in your opinion can derive from facts. How very peculiar.
You will also note that I have stated on a number of occasions that the name thing may need looked at and that in my game there are no such problems re: ethnicity of the English team.
Blinkered vision I think not, whereas someones ability to create a post and then certain people to carry the batton re: fictional ethnicity of regenerated players in a computer game smacks of racism and bigotry in my eyes.
You will refer to my previous post re: the Dutch star and Engalnd cap winner, my game has no problems like this.
On the look for insults then follow the people on this topics lead, find a fact (the number of non white English regulars) and call it racism. Works a treat. lol.
Really don't care about the race/color thing, but more for the name thing, in the name database or whatever is used there is to little variation I belive, not only in england but also in sweden and other countries.
Originally posted by Nomis07:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Kill Rock Stars:
blinkered vision so in ten years time you expect the english national side to be full of people called alan and dave then? my current game, in 2012, has no players with names such as sol, micah etc in the england under 21 and under 19 sides, other than players who were already in the database when the game started
try looking at the under 21 side, and at the youth sides of english teams at the start of the game. their diversity in terms of names isn't being reflected
the only reason this has started to turn into a race debate, i imagine, is your strange post earlier that seemed to be denying that more than two black players play for england
If you look back I stated that only 2 and perhaps 3 were regulars. This is fact. So a race debate in your opinion can derive from facts. How very peculiar.
You will also note that I have stated on a number of occasions that the name thing may need looked at and that in my game there are no such problems re: ethnicity of the English team.
Blinkered vision I think not, whereas someones ability to create a post and then certain people to carry the batton re: fictional ethnicity of regenerated players in a computer game smacks of racism and bigotry in my eyes.
You will refer to my previous post re: the Dutch star and Engalnd cap winner, my game has no problems like this.
On the look for insults then follow the people on this topics lead, find a fact (the number of non white English regulars) and call it racism. Works a treat. lol. </BLOCKQUOTE>
jesus what are you next actually understanding about my clear statement that this is not a race debate.
Im a white englishmen why on gods earth would i feel the need to campaign for more ethnic names?
Its solely on the virtual of realism, this country grows in ethnic diversity day by day yet the regens are made out of players from the 1950s.
If you do happen to come across a duane he is most probably white, and a young black lad in the youth system is much more likely to have a name like "john" or "mike" rather than a more realistic afro carribean or african name.
20 years ago you couldnt find a black footballer for love nor money, now they consume over 30% of the premier league and for your information...no, they arent called keith, arthur or bob.
Look at the original arsenal youth setup at the start of the game, then look at it 5 years on then you`ll begin to realise where im coming from!
England U19's in April 2013. (English structure NOT active).
Saynthan Sivagnanam (white).
England U21's in April 2013. (English structure NOT active).
Calvin Bennett (black).
They are the only 2 names that I would consider to be of ethinc origin in the English aged set-up in my game, (there are none at all in the N.Ireland structure). There are of course a distinctly high number of players who make the likes of Beardsley and Rooney look like male model material .
If I look at the bigger Premiership clubs in general, the Fred names might be easier to see.
Jean-Paul Diop. Chelsea. (Republic of Congo/England). (Black).
Saynthan Sivagnanam. Chelsea. (England). (White).
Calvin Bennett. Liverpool. (England). (Black).
Anyway, I don't even know why I'm responding in this ridiculous thread. Hell will freeze over before this becomes an issue of even miniscule proportions .
it's certainly not the number one problem with the game, but it does affect the feeling of immersion you get, particularly when playing a long term game. it just doesn't feel very realistic.
so in ten years time you expect the english national side to be full of people called alan and dave then? my current game, in 2012, has no players with names such as sol, micah etc in the england under 21 and under 19 sides, other than players who were already in the database when the game started
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