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i have been reading through the threads and have seen most agree with the master cleon that you should set.
DEFENDERS to 5 mentality
DEFENSIVE LINE to 6
CREATIVETY to 1
CLOSING DOWN to FB=13---DC=10---DC=6
DMC= mentality 8
CLOSING DOWN= 16
and i think he called that a unit of 5.
so then cleon sets his midfield and strikers as a unit of 5.
from what i have read it says dont have mentality more than 2 notches above the player below that position, or your team wont work as a unit and leave to many gaps.
so if DL= mentality of 5 does that mean i have to set ML= mentality of 7.
as i have seen peeps setting their wingers to 14/15 ???
as someone from this forum proved, mentality doesn't effect on positioning,so don't worry about that,if you set your DL to 5 you should probably lower your width
Yep. Dont fiddle with your mentality settings! Use a global one, in the middle. Mentality mainly affects passing. I cant emphasise enough on the importance of leaving the mentality setting alone; it will make your team perform alot better over time.
D-line is important; if you meet a team that has faster strikers than your defenders, lower it, if not, keep it at default.
Short passing at global mentality 6 with same tempo, and slightly narrow will do fine. Trust me, I am playing Fisher atm, with insane success. The higher tempo you play, the better the passing skills. So with short passing + low tempo, you will be fine, even for rubbish teams like mine :cool:
With different mentalities on your players, they get confused: What type of football are you telling them actually to play? Defensive? Attacking? Just chaos & whatevertheywant...?
I never tweak my mentalities, and I do great. I am already into 6th round of the F.A. Cup with my Fisher, whos tipped 22nd place in Conference National...
Mentality does affect positioning, it just doesn't dictate it.
If we look at mentality as a risk/reward agent, then clearly a player with a higher mentality will go forward more often, and similarly a player with low mentality will be more willing to drop back.
If there's too big a gap between players, there will be massive holes when you have the ball between the cautious players and the gung-ho ones. Thus, you will leave big holes for the opposition to exploit on the counter.
Set up a team with the defenders on a low mentality and the midfield on a high one. Without the ball you might not notice much difference, but when you get the ball the defence stay low and don't venture out (too risky), while the midfield bombs forward to try and flood the opposition goal. Result - too big a gap, giving the defence no passing options and letting the opposition strikers exploit a massive hole in your formation.
That's why RoO is so close together. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because mentality doesn't make a player stand in a different position that it doesn't affect the shape of your side.
hi millie, so are you saying if you look at my team set-up there is just to big a gap ?
as i have noticed that my defenders just punt it up the field into no mans land and i lose the ball.
what does roo mean ????
so if i keep my defence on menality 5 and say move my midfield onto 7 wont that mean my team are to far back to damage the away team or am i looking at this all wrong ?
Millie,this is why you all tactics gurus are wrong.what you say might or might not be true,but you sound like it is true,o and by the way if you really wanted to help him you should have told him that positioning also is based on creative freedom.
do what you said and put your defenders on a creative freedom of 15,see if what you said still counts
Originally posted by rusuandrei:
Millie,this is why you all tactics gurus are wrong.what you say might or might not be true,but you sound like it is true,o and by the way if you really wanted to help him you should have told him that positioning also is based on creative freedom.
do what you said and put your defenders on a creative freedom of 15,see if what you said still counts
I'm saying it based on my own observations of the match engines, the advice of other people on the boards, and plain common sense. If I'm saying it as if it's true because... well, it's what I see. If my perception is wrong, then fair enough, but as I not two days ago set up my side with my three centrebacks on 7 and my midfield on 14 and saw a massive gap when I regained the ball (everbody on global creative freedom), I'm going to hazard a guess that mentality affects the shape of the side.
Creative freedom, from my observations, will affect the behaviour of players, and more attacking players will play more attacking. So, yes, I suppose that affects positioning too. However, in my humble opinion, mentality makes a bigger difference to the shape of a side. Creative freedom tells players to do what they want - mentality tells them to push forward to support the attack. Not the same thing. Given too much creative freedom, a player may track back too much.
If you've got some evidence to suggest that I'm wrong in thinking that mentality has an effect on positioning by making players more willing or less willing to push forward, then be my guest and show me where my opinion and assumptions are wrong. Otherwise, don't band around terms such as "right" and "wrong" without understanding what they mean.
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so if i keep my defence on menality 5 and say move my midfield onto 7 wont that mean my team are to far back to damage the away team or am i looking at this all wrong ?
It may be. I would look at your matches on full highlights for a few minutes and just see if your back players are too isolated. If the players are positioned fine for you, then leave it. There can be certain advnatages in keeping a few players constantly on defensive duties. However, if you see that the gaps are too large, increasing your defensive mentalities, especially when playing at home, may get them closer to the midfield. You can always use your defensive line to artificially move your players up of course.
Mentality----how far apart 
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