retired_wh0isj3ss3

I understand. But as I said, changing tactic, in your case, the mentalities, will make your team perform different, usually worse for a short period. It takes time to "settle" into new orders, it is not changed "on the fly", even if we wish so.

And yes, you can get insta results that way, but fiddling with your tactic before each game, and ESPECIALLY the mentalities is like playing Bingo.

retired_janellewood86

chris, we must be looking at the game completely differently. I'm not saying that players stand in different positions on higher or lower mentality, I'm saying it affects how quickly and when they move forward. If the team are on different mentalities they're on different wave lengths, which will lead to poor positioning and a lack of options for passes and attacks etc.

Usually, you will see the positioning thing when you have the ball and are going for an attack - if a defensive player has the ball and everyone else is set to attacking, they tend to race forward, regardless of forward runs, and create holes. That's what I see, that's what I base my tactics on.

This is probably why you see such success with a global mentality - it makes perfect sense to keep everyone the same so that they can all be on the same wavelength.

This would explain why people with mentalities close together (or global) suffer far fewer problems than those who have them further apart.

retired_wh0isj3ss3

Millie

I still can't be sure how mentality affect the moving on the pitch myself. Okay, we agree on the same, it doesnt affect the positioning.

But I can agree that it might is linked with the forward run. But still, I have started to wonder if each opposite die with same position, is linked in some way as well.

Even if you set one of your CM's on 1, the other on 20, they still move in tandem. I cant see anything in their up or downward movement on the pitch that shows they are on different mentalities.


In earlier patches(?) I think the Mentalities was more linked to positioning than now. Now I see the mentality mainly linked to passing.


-Chris

retired_wh0isj3ss3

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But still, I have started to wonder if each opposite SIDE with same position, is linked in some way as well.

retired_plasticfawn

millie

could you put up a screen shot of your player mentalitys so i can get an idea of what you do ?????

retired_roze

I think you are all talking the same.

Its logical, looking at WWFfans post that the global mentality would work fine in most cases as you tell the whole team to aim at either be defensive or attacking in their game play.

Contrary to Chris I have noticed a difference with having different mentalities of two CMs. The one defensive mentalitity took much more defensiv responsibility, moving more backwards when in defensive and winning balls on my own half. When attacking you did not see him very much involved in the attacks and more often he stayed a little behind. The attacking minded CM was not so often inviolved in getting back and winning the ball on my own half. Instead he was more active in building up the attacks and moving forwards. Both the CMs had the exactly the same instructions except for mentality.

retired_plasticfawn

mygel

did your team have holes by playing differant mentalitys.

retired_reeree

There are no holes,there will be holes if you put your midfielders on F-Runs often and a high mentality,if you put them on rarely there will be no holes,tactics are very complicated and nobody knows them from A to Z,like chris said I think the Key is global mentality,with some exceptions CBs and one of the forwards should be set as Striker

Notice i said 'think'.

retired_roze

Nop, no holes. Although there was a bigger chance that the opposition did FIND open space between the defensive line and the midfield depending on, as next post mentioned, forward runs. It also obvious to say that when I put one of the MC to a DMC role instead that possibility reduced.

Now, where can I find information about the biggest puzzle of them all - how to use Forward runs the best way? I know it is not in this thread but if anyone can assist me I would be happy.

retired_janellewood86

Usually RoO, so that wouldn't really show you anything.

It's only when I've been ****ing about that I've noticed it. I think if you had forward runs to mixed on both centre mids and had them on very different settings you may see what I'm talking about a bit more. "Mixed" usually means make your own mind up, and a guy with low mentality is less likely to take the risk.

I think we are basically arguing the same thing, only we see it on the field a little differently.