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Old 10-30-2005, 11:47 PM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #1
 
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I think I had this discussion already once, but never really managed to get a definite answer...

Okay, I've been playing as a LLM ever since the first CM came out. However, there is one 'tactic' that I usually apply, with good results: since I tend not to trust my scout very much, what I usually do in order to find some useful players is to go to the top clubs, check out their 'Transfers Out' page, and see which youngsters were released, then try to sign them.

Since I'm now finishing the first season of my first LLM in FM2006, with Maidenhead, what I'd like to know is if this is considered 'ethic'. Because if it isn't, then I won't bother starting a thread reporting my progress, since it wouldn't make sense doing it knowing that I wasn't complying with the LLM 'rules'.
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:52 PM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #2
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I'm afraid not, Goncalo. We rely on our scouts to find players, self-respecting LlaMas wouldn't be using the way you described.

Here's an idea though; start over, stick to the LLM guidelines and come back to tell us how it's going.
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:57 PM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #3
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it's unacceptable if you don't scout them at all. if you check out who released what players and then scout them it's not the purest approach but it doesn't seem entirely unrealistic to me.
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Less scrupulous LLaMas use the (transfer) screen by identifying freed players and sending their scouts to watch them, signing them or otherwise based on the scouts' recommendations.
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:58 PM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #4
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I'm really surprised you didn't get a definitive answer previously.

Here goes: NO, definitively NO, not ethical.

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Old 10-31-2005, 12:05 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #5
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The point, and the whole fun with LLM is the aim for as much realism as possible - kinda knowing how you'd really do as a manager. In reality, you wouldn't be able to sign released youngsters on a whim, unless you wanted your head on a stick when they don't perform as you hoped that is.
The forum-lurkers kan seem a tad on the orthodox side when it comes to their ethics, but trust'em, they mean well - playing according to the guidelines will make your game a whole lot more challenging, and it will last so much longer.
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Old 10-31-2005, 12:57 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #6
 
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Well, I do scout them after seeing they were released by their clubs. I wouldn't go signing a player without knowing a single thing about him, except that he played for a big club earlier. My main problem with the scout is that he recommends players all the time, and 90% of them are recommended with 5 stars...

I don't need to start over, since I don't do that during the first season. I only start doing it after the first season is over, because during the summer break is when clubs usually release lots of young players.
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Old 10-31-2005, 01:30 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #7
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This was brought up in another thread recently. It is ok to scout a player that has come to your attention via a news item or has played well against you, but scouting a player that you have 'found' by scouring transfer lists is going a little too far, IMO.

What are others' thoughts on this?
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Old 10-31-2005, 01:31 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #8
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I suppose IRL it wouldn't be hard for a manger to find out who had been released from where (esp. the top clubs). The realistic thing (IMO) would be to offer them trials, if that's the way you want to go.

I have always wondered how you can scout unattached players anyway
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Old 10-31-2005, 01:52 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #9
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I agree with the others. It's not according to LLM standards. Unfortunetely the scouts are as good at finding quality players as a donkey is talking Japanese. On the bright side, it means when they occasionally find a gem, you feel on top of the world.

An amazing amount of their 5-star players can hardly talk and walk at the same time, but once they find that guy that will bring you in contention for promotion, it's all worth it.
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Old 10-31-2005, 03:14 AM   Is this an accepted LLM behaviour? Post #10
 
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Well, my scout so far has found 217 players, 70 of which are rated as 5-star signings. However, one of the first players he recommended was a striker who was an old acquaintance of mine from FM2005, so I immediately proceeded to sign him. I was 18th in Conference South when he arrived, now with 7 games to go I'm 2nd, with a playoff place secured, and the guy has scored 32 goals so far (in 41 apps). So that alone makes it worth it

But as BoroPhil said, I've always thought that IRL it would be possible for a manager to obtain the information from a big club about which players had come through the youth system but had been released that year... I guess that's not as easy as I thought then.
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