retired_tinkfaeree

Offering a trial is perfect, isn't it?

retired_melissa1

iamthequinn: I already said that I can see why you consider this unethical. I'm not trying to justify my style of play, nor shoehorn it into LLM. That was never the point here, and I'd have to be a fool if I were trying to change rules that were established ages ago for LLM. I don't have access to the Guidelines, and I was simply trying to figure out what was or wasn't accepted behaviour.

What I said in my last posts is that I don't agree that one could say that it wasn't accepted just because the players in question were unattached, and therefore there was no reallistic way of a scout filling out a report on him. There might be several reasons that make this behaviour unethical, but this doesn't seem like a valid one. Unless, like I said, a LLM NEVER signs a player that was found by the scou, but was unattached. Because, as some of you stated, it isn't reallistic that a scout could scout an unattached player.

P.S.- Sorry for the double post, but I couldn't edit my previous one...

retired_dfiegel

Goncalo: unless anyone can think of a more realistic way of signing unattached players, i would agree that looking on bigger clubs transfers out screen and then offering trials would be the best way to do it.

retired_pmetzger1

I can tell you exactly why it is unacceptable, though you and Goncalo have tried in vain to justify it. I've tried to allude to it, but it seems that I am being too subtle.


The lights are on, but....

If you accept that it is no barometer of quality then why:

You need to check out every club if you want to avoid contradicting yourself. </BLOCKQUOTE>

The reason that you both talk about looking at those released by top clubs is exactly because on FM it is an indicator of likely quality. You believe that you are going to get good players that way, and that's why you restrict yourself to the big teams and aren't looking at those players released by conference and league two clubs.

It is unjustifiable because you are looking to gain an advantage in identifying better quality players for your side.

retired_pmetzger1

In reality, a lot of unattached players can be scouted, because they train with clubs, play amateur football etc to keep their fitness and skill levels up.

retired_dfiegel

irl, youngsters released from big clubs are often snapped up by lower league teams within a short space of time. how do these lower clubs discover them?

retired_frogchickie

probably in a lot of ways that aren't covered by FM. In a lot of cases, the big club will try and help the players find new clubs. Boro, for example often release young players, but they continue to train with the club while they find another one.

Possibly future FMs could give big clubs the option to offer players they are going to release to all clubs at a certain level, say League 2 or Conf Nat (ofc, as a human player you can do this anyway).

That way, as a LL club, you could have higher clubs offering players to you or even players offering themselves to you.

But at the moment, we have to make the best of the game as we can - IMO I don't think there is anything wrong per se with checking out lists of released players, as long as you then scout them/offer them trials. Personally, I would rather stick to my scouts.

retired_melissa1

mkus: I'm sorry, but you don't seem to have noticed my other post about this. I go to top clubs because there is a much better chance that they have released players than in a Conference club. That's all. They have much bigger squads, and receive huge batches of youngsters every season.

And for the love of God, I already said that I understand that this isn't accepted behaviour, and I'm not going to use it in my current game. So I'd really appreciate it if people would stop trying to give me morality lessons

retired_stelutaivan

So why are you still going on about it?

retired_dfiegel

I think this highlights the problem well. the way in which these moves happen irl is not possible in fm, therefore we have to use the most sensible and realistic method we can find.

A lot of the talent in the lower leagues comes from youngsters released form bigger clubs so, as a LLM (irl or in fm) it would make perfect sense to be aware of players that have been released from big clubs, especially if they are local. This is something i would and could do irl, so i see no reason not to do it in the game.