retired_skinner3

A wise person once said...."if you have to ask...".

retired_mekeesha

Er, Logic Check:

As Borophil queried, how can you scout a player who's been released? Surely he isn't playing football :eek:

Wouldn't the realistic things be to bring him in on trial and take a look at him? That's totally within LLM ethics.

retired_pmetzger1

It probably is quite easy to obtain, but the side a player has been released by is absolutely no barometer of how good they might be. Especially now that FIFA is restricting the distance from a club that younger players may be signed from.

retired_melissa1

Precisely because it is no barometer of a player's quality, I never thought it would be unethical what I did. After all, I still have to find out more about the player before I sign him.

I already understood that you consider this to be an unaccepted tactic for a LLM, but the argument about being impossible to scout an unattached player doesn't seem to be very valid. Unless, of course, an LLM never tries to sign a player found by the scout that happens to be unattached.

Plus, we're always in disadvantage against computer teams in that aspect, so I always thought of this as a way to balance things. If a potentially good player is released by a club, all the computer teams are immediately aware of him, and can offer him a contract the same day. When our scout finally finds him, he was already signed by a computer team. And this, btw, brings me to the most annoying feature of the game (this has bugged me for years, since it's been happening in several realeases of the game): why is it that when my scout finds an interesting player, who has absolutely no club interested in him, as soon as I offer him a contract I get, whithin hours, lots of other clubs trying to sign him too? Is my phone tapped? Or do they have spies in my office?

retired_frogchickie

I just don't understand how practically you can scout an unnatached player - where do your scouts watch him play? IMO, scouts shouldn't turn up reports on unattached players, unless of course they watched them before they were unattached.


The only way to have a look at an unnatached player should be to give him a trial.

retired_melissa1

Yes, I do understand that it's not very believable that a scout could give you a report of an unattached player (unless maybe he could talk to his former coaches, or something similar). What I meant was that that argument isn't exactly, in my view, valid to classify what I suggested doing as unethic LLM behaviour. Unless, like I said, normally a LLM never tries to sign an unattached player found by a scout (btw, I've tried several to read the LLM rules and guidelines, to see if such situation was described there, but I keep getting an error when I click on the link at the top of the forum).

retired_pmetzger1

The lights are on, but....

If you accept that it is no barometer of quality then why:

You need to check out every club if you want to avoid contradicting yourself.

retired_jsammut

Why the big discussion over this? Every few months somebody comes along and tries to justify their style of play and shoehorn it into LLM.

Goncalo, I can't see how your approach to the game can be considered ethical. You are basically bypassing your scout when finding players. It's no different to using the player search option and looking at their club history in my eyes.

The accepted methods of player searching is with scouts. Either they find them, or you send them out to double check that kid who put 5 goals past you in your previous game...

retired_melissa1

Not exactly. I check top clubs because they normally have larger squads, therefore are more likely to release several players. Plus, they usually have academies, which means that they get larger batches of youngsters every year, many of them end up being released. I don't think that a player, just because he was released by Man Utd, is necessarily better than a player that was released by Havant & W.

retired_dfiegel

it's clear that it shouldn't be possible to scout an unattached player, as it isn't possible to watch him play or even train.

Therefore you shouldn't sign unattached players on the basis that they have been recommended by scouts as it would not be something you could do in real life.

But of course there must be a way to sign unattached players without having already scouting them when they were at a club. Looking at a list of players released by big clubs seems to me to be a realistic way of doing this. Especially if it is a big club that is relatively local. Of course you should offer the player a trial first and if he impresses, sign him!

Unless anyone can offer a more realistic way in which a small club could be made aware of unattached players in FM?