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10-29-2007, 05:35 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #31 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by disasterd:
fair enough but what about spotting a skillful player
| 20 dribbling 20 tecnique 20 flair = very skilfull player
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10-29-2007, 05:42 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #32 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by prophetboy:
My only complaint wih the graphics, is there could be something more substantial to allow you to accurately comment on whether you think your team shouldve been given a penalty for or against. At the moment, seeing two circles run into each other always results in me getting warned by the FA as the video proved I was wrong
| Have to agree with prophetboy, I ONLY ever comment on offside decisions, and even then I don't always get them right! 
But a 3D engine isn't necessary to provide us the information, perhaps in the post-match comments section rather than commenting on key players performance, the in-game 'Lineker' or whoever could say something along the lines of 'Wolfsburg were hard done by today, TV replays show that was no way a penalty'
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10-29-2007, 05:57 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #33 | | Joe Blow
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The day FM has a match graphics engine like the one suggested will be a sad day.
For me and I'd say for most true CM now FM fans who have been there for the long haul, the game is not about it looking like FIFA or some other equally s**t game. It's all about the stats and figures. I never use the game engine, and never will.
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10-29-2007, 06:13 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #34 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by Meilsano:
i would love isometric match like CM
| I agree with this...it'll make FM even cooler!! (regarding graphics for match)
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10-29-2007, 06:17 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #35 | | Registered User
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This 2d match engine is the closest you can get at showing matches that look like real football. 3d engines always dissapoint in that aspect.
I don't need cosmetic changes for the game, i just want a game thats as realistic as possible, and this means.... the engine as it is.
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10-29-2007, 06:18 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #36 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Gandelf The White:
I've haven't actually played the recent versions of CM (since FM broke away) but i know it boasted a "tilted" pitch that allowed you to see the dynamics of the football (i.e. the height of crosses etc.)
Something such as this should definately be the next step forward for FM. It would certainly add to the element of realism that SI continually strive for and would be much easier to implement than a full blown 3D match engine. The format will have to change at some point, why not start now?
| 100% agree
did anyone suggested here FIFAM3d !! we are all talking CM titled view
it look many people get angry here without reading well, who mentioned FIFAM engine !!
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10-29-2007, 06:26 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #37 | | Newb
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Originally posted by trainspotter:
If the only way you can tell if a player is 'skilful' is to watch a 3D representation of said player doing a fancy flick then you need help!
The 2D match engine is absolutely PERFECT for tactics...
Want to know if your defense is holding a tight defensive line? Have a quick glance at the screen.
Want to know if your midfield are getting up to support your target man? Have a quick glance at the screen.
Want to know if your team are being pressed back by the opposition? Have a quick glance at the screen.
And if you want to know if a player is as skilfull as Ronaldinho then:
1. Look at his stats
2. Look at the breakdown of his performance from the match - this gives you passes attempted/completed, key passes, dribbles made/completed, key dribbles, shots attempted/on target, tackles attempted/completed etc etc etc.
What exactly would a 3D match engine add which isn't already there?
| 1- imagine i have new player !! i have most importnat match of the year, and have to play him becasue of injuries, and have mo stats on him, do u expect me to lose the game then watch his statss after that !! to know if he is good or not ?
2- u forget that skills are not having same effect in each action, like jumping may work in heading more than antciaption, or may be not,... u only can test that during the match, and the match don't tell u in each action if ball been headed or hit his head by accident and refelcted !! this is why peope stil larguning which skils are improtnat for jumping for exemple.
3- as i said this stats shows quantity and not quality, it dosn't make a differnce between a normal shot on goal and another which a player has to turn around and fly to shoot it.
4- this stats is not enough, as they are basic, and it existe in any match in RL, and managers can buy the SUN and read it, but they use another tool which is called PROZONE or MAT to anlasye those matchs and not those basic stats u were mentioning.
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10-29-2007, 07:22 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #38 | | Newb
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I think it is too hard to get it right.
You would have to capture a multitude of different 3D motions. After a while you would see the same vision repeatedly.
They are already having trouble getting the match engine working perfectly. So I think it is better to focus on perfecting that.
I think eventually there be slight improvements to the 2D graphics. So that you have a better idea what the circle is doing.
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10-29-2007, 08:18 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #39 | | Newb
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Originally posted by spiritofchampman:
The match engine is sublime, tweak it by all means but 2d is ok imo, lets face it flashing text sufficed for 15 years or so and were we happy? you bet your nelly we were!
| Oh the glory that was watching the bar move across the screen, the tension, and the text to go with it.
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10-29-2007, 08:23 PM
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When can we expect better graphics (match engine)???? Post #40 | | Newb
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Originally posted by shwan:
did anyone suggested here FIFAM3d !! we are all talking CM titled view
it look many people get angry here without reading well, who mentioned FIFAM engine !!
| Well, you did... Quote:
Originally posted by shwan:
same apply for left or right foot
or a pass coming from foot or head or chest or simply it touched his arm, or his body by accident.
| This is a screenshot of the CM07 isometric pitch. http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/championshipmanager2...iewer.html?id=133144
As you can see there aren't any legs or arms and to show the level of detail you're talking about a graphically intensive match engine (i.e. FIFA/Pro Evo style) would be required.
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