retired_douglasd

This is the situation he is referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute

This is an ongoing situation, and as others have explained, Britain recognises the name of Macedonia as it stands in FM. Personally I think it should be left be - it isnt a situation where its causing actual harm to anyone, even if it is a touchy subject in real life to people involved in it.

Depending on what information you read, the distinction between ancient Macedon (Alexander the Great era etc) and modern Macedonia (the region not the current country) can vary a lot. No doubt this post has been influenced by the fact the majority Greek position is that they should not be using the name, but that shouldnt diminish it I guess, and obviously we dont understand the full nature of the problem over here I suggest if anyone wants to understand what he is getting at then that Wikipedia article is actually good for explaining it to someone from outside the area (for once!).

I dont follow one point though, that of using Skopje instead of Macedonia. The Republic of Macedonia (or the FYRoM - whichever you choose) as it stands IS a fully independent nation and as such should be referred to by its name. Skopje is a city within that nation, and I dont feel that referring to anything 'Macedonian' as 'Skopjen' or whatever is a lot worse than the current situation - even if there is no such language as 'Macedonian' (which according to international standards sources, there is, regardless of its similarity to other languages).

And thats my first post on here all done and dusted!

retired_storeypc

WHAT? THE? HELL?

You do realize you were talking about a REGION called Macedonia (which is in Greece), whereas FM deals with COUNTRIES! And there is a country called Republic of Macedonia and its capital is Skopje! What the hell? They are an independent state, how come Greece is in this, in the first place?

And to be very honest, I didn't get your point at all... What are you saying? What should be corrected? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Man just check what you saying..
How is it possible a country is called Macedonia while Macedonia is a region inside Greece???

retired_douglasd

... and it just had to have an error didnt it

Skopje is a city within that nation, and I do feel that referring to anything 'Macedonian' as 'Skopjen' or whatever is a lot worse than the current situation - even if there is no such language as 'Macedonian' (which according to international standards sources, there is, regardless of its similarity to other languages).

retired_ashc21

What about Cyprus and the TRNC? Does that hurt the feelings of the Turkish, Greek, or Cypriot people?

retired_samean

If you feel so strongly about it just use the bloody data editor that came with the game. I don't see a reason for whinging here, to be honest.

retired_euluis

WHAT? THE? HELL?

You do realize you were talking about a REGION called Macedonia (which is in Greece), whereas FM deals with COUNTRIES! And there is a country called Republic of Macedonia and its capital is Skopje! What the hell? They are an independent state, how come Greece is in this, in the first place?

And to be very honest, I didn't get your point at all... What are you saying? What should be corrected? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Man just check what you saying..
How is it possible a country is called Macedonia while Macedonia is a region inside Greece??? </BLOCKQUOTE>

How is it possible that a country is called Holland (in parts of the world at least) when Holland is just a region inside the Netherlands?

Okay, don't quote me on that, it's something I picked up from a dutchman on a different forum

retired_douglasd

WHAT? THE? HELL?

You do realize you were talking about a REGION called Macedonia (which is in Greece), whereas FM deals with COUNTRIES! And there is a country called Republic of Macedonia and its capital is Skopje! What the hell? They are an independent state, how come Greece is in this, in the first place?

And to be very honest, I didn't get your point at all... What are you saying? What should be corrected? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Man just check what you saying..
How is it possible a country is called Macedonia while Macedonia is a region inside Greece??? </BLOCKQUOTE>

This is your viewpoint as a Greek, Macedonians (the citizens of the nation) and those in Bulgaria too do associate with the term Macedonian as an ethnic grouping and a larger region which is partly in Macedonia (the nation), Bulgaria and Greece. In international terms, the Macedonians (the citizens of the nation) have a viewpoint which is different, and just as valid as yours until the dispute is FORMALLY resolved between the nations involved. There are various naming disputes around the globe - the People's Republic of China and Republic of China (commonly known as Taiwan to us) has been going for decades and not been resolved. To simply change it every time one side wants it their way wont help I think, and is indeed a tad unreasonable.

I'm not saying you dont have a point, but there is always another viewpoint, and all must be considered equally.

retired_samean

Key difference: TRNC is a breakaway country (not dissimilar to, say, South Ossetia or Nagorno-Karabakh), which is only recognised by one country. Here it's an independent country that's recognised by pretty much the entire world, only under different names.

retired_ashc21

There's a region named Inner Mongolia within China. And a country named Mongolia.

retired_storeypc

The thing that I don't understand is from how Skopje decided to form a new name including the word Macedonia(as you see is also a greek word)
from the time they dont't even have a SINGLE connection with Greece??Isn't that weird?
Check also the skopjan language which is a mix of 5-6 languages including albanian,turkish,slavian,russian,greek etc..
And LOL this kind of language is called Macedonian..So you don't have to be smart or need enough knowledge to understand what we talking about..

Also the major problem is from the Greek government just like some of you saying SO WHAT?
NO PROBLEM!! :eek:
They don't even care about the name of Macedonia they don't even care about the island Turks captured in 1994 and also they don't care about the statues that English have stolen and I don't wait from them to do something because they only care about money and fame...
But I DO care about my history and NOONE is allowed to blemish it..
Still waiting for an official response..