retired_amberrose31

I haven't played FM in a number of years but I'm keen to get back into it because of the FRED system. Seems a lot more realistic than the regen system employed in previous games. I just have a couple of questions about this in relation to editing.

Namely, 1. This question is only for people who have played/simmed through a lenghty career, say 30 or 40 years into the game - are the current standards of player talent maintained throughout the world as the game progresses. i.e. after the world class players of today have retired are there enough talented newgens coming through to fill their shoes. Does this pool of talent fluctuate or dry up. Is there an even spread of talent according to nationality, with 'football factory'-type nations (such as brazil,england or france) consistently producing enough quality players to populate their respective leagues?

2. I'm sorry if the above question seemed a little OT but this one specifically pertains to editing the db. Has anybody figured out what db ratings/figures affect the quality of newgens? Is it specifically the standard of youth academies at a club or do national rankings/co-efficents have an effect. Is it possible to alter national ratings and impact upon future newgens?

Sorry if this seems a little long winded but I'm curious if the database takes developing football powers into account (nations such as Greece, Turkey, S Korea, Ivory coast, Ghana, Senegal, Mexico etc.) when producing newgens.

I know the obvious solution is simply to alter standards of youth facilities at club but that wont really reflect the greater footballing world. Has anybody done any experiments with this, holidaying? I would be very grateful for any info.

retired_amberrose31

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retired_kbeg

I haven’t played 30/40 years into the game due to the name issue etc. But you could always run a test game for that amount of time and then look at the results.
As for what affect newgens, I think its reputation of the nationality. There is possible also still some hard coding in the game itself which sees quality youngsters come through at Ajax, Boca, River Plate etc.

retired_amberrose31

Yeah, ive done a search for this on the boards and I get the impression that Brazil seems to trump every other nation in terms of producing newgens, which is accurate enough, seeing as in reality the country provides so many top stars, worldwide, but ingame, the standards of youth facilities at Sao Paulo, Corinthians etc. would fall short of european standards. Despite this the newgens produced here still outclass Europe so there must either be a correlation to national reputation or as you said to hard coding.

What do you mean by name issue? Is this a bug that affects newgens' names or do you just prefer real players.

I've been put off buying the game because of chairman bugs etc. but the anorak in me is dying to experiment with the db and see what newgens pop up internationally

retired_dameron220

1. I have done a long-term test and here are my conclusions.

What it comes down to is this: The amount of top PA players remains more or less the same. But CA goes up a lot faster. So this means that there are more top youngster in the game over after a couple of years.

2. I have tried to edit quite a lot of stuff in order to get better regens, but this partof the ame is very hard-coded. Someone from SI has let it slip that these part are important: club reputation and youth setup. But it is still no guarantee. Both these stats are variable, especially 'youth setup'. Before starting a game I had set 'youth setup' to 20 for a lot of low to mid-profile clubs. A couple of months later, most of these clubs had a youth setup of 10 or less (viewable with FMM). I'm now playing with a rep7300-club, bankroll: 160M, stadium 35.000. And my youth setup still crashes after a few months.

retired_amberrose31

Very interesting piece you wrote there. It's also alleviated most of my concerns about newgens given the consistent rate of talent coming through in future years. Would still be interesting to see how you could affect nations as in your piece there didn't seem to be too many African or Asian newgens with high PA. The football world is changing and it would be nice if SI could reflect this ingame with better Ivorians or S.Koreans coming through but still so long as the talent is plentiful I have no major problems with that.

retired_dameron220

Don't be mistaken. There are some very good Ivorian and Korean regens in the game. But as in real life it usually takes a while for major european clubs to spot them, so their CA increases more slowly because they are usually being regenerated at an obscure club. So while they may turn out to become world-class players, it happens usually at a slightly older age.

retired_hammiesmom

Regarding the "youth setup" (viewable with FMM), you mention its "variable", do you mean its Random variable or does the "youth setup" depend on quality of coaches (with "working with youngsters) or just the quality and/or balance of your youth players?

Other opinions are very welcome :thup:

retired_hammiesmom

......I must add, that post above is regarding FM 06 only and I do have FMM so I can view the "youth setup"
thnx

retired_dameron220

Regarding the "youth setup" (viewable with FMM), you mention its "variable", do you mean its Random variable or does the "youth setup" depend on quality of coaches (with "working with youngsters) or just the quality and/or balance of your youth players?

Other opinions are very welcome :thup: </BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I only meant to say that it changes over time.