retired_pmetzger1

New Health and Safety regulations </BLOCKQUOTE>

Surely they are overidden by the Foot in Mouth regulations, which state that if any member of the herd shows signs of the disease we have to pile them high and burn the lot of them. We also have to have disinfectant at all entrances and exits to the forum to prevent cross-contamination. As a further precaution, all footpaths through woods, rights of way, etc will be closed to the general public for several weeks.

bodymassindicator

The reason I'm saying Dusseldorf are unrealistic to play with is not just because of the money injection but from my own experience with them. The stadium cost is entirely unrealistic, there is no way Dusseldorf spend 500k a month on stadium upkeep in real life. The game is taking all kinds of unexpected turns because of this, and in this particular case it was in form of a multi-million cash injection.
It's just my personal advice that I think it's better to avoid them if you're striving for a realistic LLM experience. You're certainly not breaking any rules by choosing to ignore this advice.

retired_crazybonejr

The reason I'm saying Dusseldorf are unrealistic to play with is not just because of the money injection but from my own experience with them. The stadium cost is entirely unrealistic, there is no way Dusseldorf spend 500k a month on stadium upkeep in real life. The game is taking all kinds of unexpected turns because of this, and in this particular case it was in form of a multi-million cash injection.
It's just my personal advice that I think it's better to avoid them if you're striving for a realistic LLM experience. You're certainly not breaking any rules by choosing to ignore this advice. </BLOCKQUOTE>


You say in another thread that Weymouth is perfectly acceptable, but in here that Dusseldorf isn't, for pretty much the exact same reasons? I hope nobody takes anything you say with any sort of conviction, because you apparently aren't up on how LLaMas play.

bodymassindicator

wtf are you on about? Read my posts again. I told the bloke it's not forbidden to manage Weymouth but regulars won't find it fun and he should go for a different team the next time. That's perfectly in line with what I said about Dusseldorf: that I wouldn't recommend managing them. It's also perfectly in line with what has been said about teams like Rushden and Gretna before, so I really have no idea where you're getting off about me not knowing the LLaMa ways.

retired_duncan

How to pi55 a LLaMa off? Tell him he doesn't know the way of the LLaMa

Play nice boys.

bodymassindicator

I already regret comparing Weymouth and D'dorf in my previous post, because that's actually two totally different reasons why I wouldn't play with them. We all agree on Weymouth because it seems to be too easy (I'm still baffled how Doug arrived at the conclusion that I said they're "perfectly acceptable"). I never suggested to put D'dorf on the Blacklist. All I said was that in my own experience it was a very unrealistic experience because of the extreme stadium upkeep costs, and that I wouldn't manage them. Some people may find that advice useful, others can feel free to ignore it.
I hope it all makes sense now and we can be nice with each other

retired_tinkfaeree

Partly true.
The amount on stadium rent, security and stuff is a real number. 500k seems absolutely realistic to me, to be honest.

Real life tends to be more flexible though. To reduce costs, only the terraces at ground level were opened, to reduce costs for cleaning and security. They only open one entrance so they need less people there as well. And for unimportant games (which wouldn't attract the usual 10-15k people), they don't play in that stadium anyway but move into a tiny one. (Paul Janes Stadium, I think).

Still, given that the stadium is in its full size in the game, the cost is realistic. Also, you complain about the 5 million cash injection? Well - it's not uncommon that the city or the state are injecting money into clubs - for example by giving out the stadium with far reduced rent or even for free. Or in other cases by handing the stadium over as a present, and so on.

bodymassindicator

Those are valid points, but not really what I'm getting at. Let me try to make my point as simple as possible:
a) In the game, D'dorf are leaking something like 500k every month.
b) In real life they are not.
c) Because of this discrepancy, they are quickly heading towards bankruptcy.

Now, in this particular case what happened was:
d) For whatever reasons (probably the high reputation) they get a massive cash injection to bail them out fairly early in the game.
e) With all this money and the high reputation you can buy a winning team.

The alternative could be:
d1) They go into administration, the board forces you to sell your players, the debts still keep growing because it's not related to salary, etc etc, until a cash injection is really the only way out.

Either way, in my very personal opinion, this makes for a less than stellar experience, and hence I don't like to manage them and whoever is planning to manage this team can at least do so with this information in mind, so there won't be any surprises later on.

retired_rlh1985

Partly true.
The amount on stadium rent, security and stuff is a real number. 500k seems absolutely realistic to me, to be honest.

Real life tends to be more flexible though. To reduce costs, only the terraces at ground level were opened, to reduce costs for cleaning and security. They only open one entrance so they need less people there as well. And for unimportant games (which wouldn't attract the usual 10-15k people), they don't play in that stadium anyway but move into a tiny one. (Paul Janes Stadium, I think).

Still, given that the stadium is in its full size in the game, the cost is realistic. Also, you complain about the 5 million cash injection? Well - it's not uncommon that the city or the state are injecting money into clubs - for example by giving out the stadium with far reduced rent or even for free. Or in other cases by handing the stadium over as a present, and so on. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I certainly do agree. I know the Dusseldorf stadium and providing that the club owns the stadium (which I don't know) 500k/month sure might be realistic.

Also cash injections are not too unrealistic as there seems to be a trend buying football clubs everywhere.

retired_tinkfaeree

You seem to know a different real life than the people in Düsseldorf. They are at the verge of bankrupcy. Mainly because of 900k Euro in stadium wages they haven't paid yet. Also, in order to cover costs, a local punk band is sponsoring them and also fans and supporters are collecting for the club in order to see it survived.

But I don't blame you for not knowing stuff about the German regionals.