MattPaul19

ive just been using FM Genie Scout 2007..great little peice of kit.. but somethings bugs me and ive noticed this in a few of the games the last 2 releases aswel... The whole database system doesn't make sense!

If your like me when you play the game you look at a player and look at his specfic values eg a striker , finishing,heading,off the ball ect and then youd look at the whole body of the player if you found a player with the core attributes complimented with 10s or over for his other values and overall he looked amazing you would think you had a real find...juding him on his attributes one of the best players in the game but this really isnt the case when you look up his ability and potential on genie.

i think this is wrong and unfair because when you have just got the games visual data and your looking long and hard for some 1 with killer attributes that stand out, you can only go by wat u see in order to find the bargains and youth that will make your average team worldclass, but these ratings are usless as they are misleading when looking up their real ability

take nicolas milan for example any1 who finds him thinks wow ive got the next maradonna or something..i mean i dare you to find a player of that age with better ratings..looking at the ratings he has at 15 he should basically become the best player in the game a real legend at 25 but if you look him up you see a dissapointing c/a of 120 and pa of 159... means hes not the world changing player you see on paper. its the same c/a as someone with poor visual attributes such as leon mckenzie or simon whaley. then if u look in to his p/a hes not gonna be better than kanu or danny mills! i mean wat a joke, how misleading are the ratings? is there any point in spending hrs looking at attributes in the game. scott sinclair looks dirt compared to him but has better ca and pa! and then you get these labeled the next geoff hursts and bobby moores and when really there pa 160's at most.

i have a 17 yr old german striker labled the next rudi voller awesome ratings.



look at him awsome player right?...wrong! his ca is only 116 and pa only 134 and in genie's report it says he can be as good as antonio cassano (ca166 pa175) so thats contradicting itself. stefen iversen and kevin larsens visual attributes kick ass in the game and they perform great at the highest level, but there ca's and pas' stink,.steven davis is better than lucas when lucas ratings look hot.

then u get these crap players visually who hawe awesome ca and pas... eg wes brown and steve davis-they arent that great to look at in comparison to other players in ther position but u will find there ca's and pa's are very high.
the thing is these players that look awesome play awesome and better than their counter parts with better cas and pas but less visual attributes.so i just dont get it.

i still love the game but is the rating system flawed? could someone pls explain this.

thanks

MattPaul19

is it 100% accurate

MattPaul19

can anybody tell me how this guys got a pa of 199.. when he is terrible

retired_nsample

A players CA is a complex calculation based on the important attributes required for his position- no one knows the actual calculation but age is also included. This is a figurative indication of their current ability. High attributes in non essential areas will look good but not impact on the CA.

A players PA is a figure randomly generated each time you start a new game but within a figure range of about 20 points. This is a figurative indication of the level that their CA could rise to if they get all the right training, coaches, training facilities, game time and experience. Because very few players get these chances, very few make their potential, especially the higher it is. This number is set by the game and not by the Scout programme. A player with a poor current CA and high PA has the opportunity to improve a lot but the figure of his PA has no effect on his current ability.

I hope this helps.

MattPaul19

ok thanks

MattPaul19

thing is tho people like zarate there non striker related attributes are rubbish a lot of 1ns and 2s but the main related attributes such as finishing heading otb are only 12, so i don't understand how he can be as high as 150, when his ratings would suggest hes more like ca 100

retired_nsample

It is only a guide but Genie's programme is based on the code for Nygreens FM Scout and that was a pretty good guide.

retired_medina

He is only 17 y/o.

If you look at his current stats on your screenshot he has reasonable physical attributes in most area for his age. 15 for Jumping and Strength and 17 for Stamina being very good for his age.

His work rate, marking and heading stats are also very good for his age. Which suggests that he does have the potential to be a good centre half.

Against that there is the factor of his mential stats, composure of 2 is absolutely shocking for a start and 9 for determination is also poor. However these can improve if as he gets older (which is they do would help move him towards his PA).

You have to bear in mind PA is only potential, it is not gauranteed that he will reach that as mental factors, getting first team football, coaching methods, training schedules and injuries all play a part in how far the player will go.

Some players will reach there full PA others will not irrespective of whether they have a PA of 20 or a PA of 200.

If what I am saying is of no use to you I apologise as I am not 100% sure of exactly what you are asking in your orginal post.

A final few notes on CA and PA. CA is current ability and only applies at that specific moment in time, other than in very rare circumstances this would start out low and increase towards the PA of the player as they reach their peak.

PA only represents their possible potential ability, the factors I mentioned earlier all have an impact on whether this is reached. So all the PA figure gives you in Genie Scout or any editors gives you is the possible level that player could reach if things go well for that player.

As an example from real life at Everton. Wayne Rooney came from the youth setup and burst on to the scene with everyone saying he had great potential and was going to be greatest ever, the new Gazza etc. etc.

We all know how his career went i.e. cash, big money transfer, international football etc.

However in that first season he only scored 6 goals from 33 league games. So far this season he has already scored 8 for Man Utd in 17 games (which 2 more goals in just over half the number of games played).

Basically he is starting to fullfill his potential (or in FM07 world his CA is getting closer to his PA).

By contrast in 97 the Everton youth system produced Danny Cadamarteri who burst onto the scene much like Rooney did and was hailed as a future great etc. Ultimately Everton let him go for free because for whatever reason he did not make that progression from youth with potential to top class player. (or in the FM07 world his CA never reached his PA).

Hope this is off some use in explaining to you how the CA and PA work.

retired_harmz

I stopped looking at CA/PA a long time ago, if you feel you have to use FM G Scout then use the position %. This give you a more realistic view of the player.

In my game now i have a 2 AML players that have very diffrent CA/PA:
Player 1 95/135
Player 2 122/156
Guess the one that play best Yes, Player 1 is the one that play best and he also has better position % for the AML position.

The player needs the right values on the right area to be a success at their postions.

retired_sunwbl

Come of it his stats are pretty good for a CD, bloody good for a 17 year old, a player to buy and develop, he will get much better