Breaking teams down?

barefootboo · 05-10-2007, 10:11 AM

I find free roles and run with ball on some players along with a fast short passing game usually break them down, you will lose posession by doing this so I usually keep my fullbacks off fwd runs and use a holding midfielder to ensure that counter attacks can be dealt with.

retired_wh0isj3ss3 · 05-10-2007, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by smithybulls:

By looking at the scout report. It tells you everything you need to know. It says whether a team plays attacking or defensive. If it does not say a particular mentality then you look at the odds and whether you are home or away. At home and i am favourites i will play slightly attacking and short passing.

Away i will nearly always play defensive with counter attack.

If a scout report says the team plays attacking then how can they be playing a normal mentality?
/QUOTE]

The scout report tells how the team played in their last, not how it will play against you. There's no guarantee that they will exactly same formation against your team....? Thats highly unrealistic....

I must smile a bit when I read what you said in what I highlighted in bold letters...:

You really think that the formation they play is linked with the Mentality...? Until I see some 100% proof about this, I will never belive so. If you dont know it, the Mentality is mostly how a team makes their passes, whether to take risks or not with them. It isnt for no reasons the AI plays a Global Team Mentality, regardless if its against a weaker or stronger team.

retired_whippet · 05-10-2007, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chriseldiablo:

The scout report tells how the team played in their last, not how it will play against you. There's no guarantee that they will exactly same formation against your team....? Thats highly unrealistic....

I must smile a bit when I read what you said in what I highlighted in bold letters...:

You really think that the formation they play is linked with the Mentality...? Until I see some 100% proof about this, I will never belive so. If you dont know it, the Mentality is mostly how a team makes their passes, whether to take risks or not with them. It isnt for no reasons the AI plays a Global Team Mentality, regardless if its against a weaker or stronger team.

You can usually find out if they are not playing to how your scout says in the first 15 mins of a game. Its not that hard!

Mentality isnt just how a team makes their passes its how attack minded. This is from what type of pass they play to their forward runs and how quickly they try to rertrieve the ball.

retired_bigtomson · 05-10-2007, 03:53 PM

[quote]Originally posted by chriseldiablo:

Quote:

Originally posted by smithybulls:

By looking at the scout report. It tells you everything you need to know. It says whether a team plays attacking or defensive. If it does not say a particular mentality then you look at the odds and whether you are home or away. At home and i am favourites i will play slightly attacking and short passing.

Away i will nearly always play defensive with counter attack.

If a scout report says the team plays attacking then how can they be playing a normal mentality?
/QUOTE]

The scout report tells how the team played in their last, not how it will play against you. There's no guarantee that they will exactly same formation against your team....? Thats highly unrealistic....

I must smile a bit when I read what you said in what I highlighted in bold letters...:

You really think that the formation they play is linked with the Mentality...? You really think that the formation they play is linked with the Mentality...? Until I see some 100% proof about this, I will never belive so. If you dont know it, the Mentality is mostly how a team makes their passes, whether to take risks or not with them. It isnt for no reasons the AI plays a Global Team Mentality, regardless if its against a weaker or stronger team.

I don't actually remember saying that which is in bold about formation linked to mentality lol

TBH if a team is all over my team i believe that is attack minded again funny how when you go a goal up they seem to attack you. But of course this cant be them playing attacking now can it

If mentality is a load of rubbish why is it in the game at all? And i would just like to say if you do not like the way i play then don't play it, simple. I have helped some people this way and it helps me win so in my view it works. If you don't like it then there is no need to say it is wrong.

Sorry if i sound hasty but i don't believe people should criticise peoples way of playing if it works for them. People play the game how they want you do the same

retired_wh0isj3ss3 · 05-10-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by smithybulls:

I don't actually remember saying that which is in bold about formation linked to mentality lol

TBH if a team is all over my team i believe that is attack minded again funny how when you go a goal up they seem to attack you. But of course this cant be them playing attacking now can it

If mentality is a load of rubbish why is it in the game at all? And i would just like to say if you do not like the way i play then don't play it, simple. I have helped some people this way and it helps me win so in my view it works. If you don't like it then there is no need to say it is wrong.

Sorry if i sound hasty but i don't believe people should criticise peoples way of playing if it works for them. People play the game how they want you do the same

Scroll up to find what you said, then you will find your words i've highlighted in bold.

Anyway, I am not criticising your way of play, I am just unable see any logical approach of your game, nor understand why you do it.

There is a big difference between an Attacking Formation, and AI going "Attacking Mentality" which I highly doubt it ever does. This "mixup" is exactly why people are getting fed up with this game. Theres so much B/S around in this forum about this, that it makes people confused and as well struggle with the game. Thats why I've highlighted some of your words again. Such statements is just wrong.

And yes; I can actually agree that Mentality is just rubbish. Its flawed and broken how it works now. The day that we have a slider for a players position as well as a slider for how attack/defensive minded his passing is, only then I belive we have something that could be understandable. As it is today, its not.
At the very least, we should get more info about how Individual Mentality and Team Mentality works.

Cheers!

retired_bigtomson · 05-10-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by chriseldiablo:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by smithybulls:

I don't actually remember saying that which is in bold about formation linked to mentality lol

TBH if a team is all over my team i believe that is attack minded again funny how when you go a goal up they seem to attack you. But of course this cant be them playing attacking now can it

If mentality is a load of rubbish why is it in the game at all? And i would just like to say if you do not like the way i play then don't play it, simple. I have helped some people this way and it helps me win so in my view it works. If you don't like it then there is no need to say it is wrong.

Sorry if i sound hasty but i don't believe people should criticise peoples way of playing if it works for them. People play the game how they want you do the same

Scroll up to find what you said, then you will find your words i've highlighted in bold.

Anyway, I am not criticising your way of play, I am just unable see any logical approach of your game, nor understand why you do it.

There is a big difference between an Attacking Formation, and AI going "Attacking Mentality" which I highly doubt it ever does. This "mixup" is exactly why people are getting fed up with this game. Theres so much B/S around in this forum about this, that it makes people confused and as well struggle with the game. Thats why I've highlighted some of your words again. Such statements is just wrong.

And yes; I can actually agree that Mentality is just rubbish. Its flawed and broken how it works now. The day that we have a slider for a players position as well as a slider for how attack/defensive minded his passing is, only then I belive we have something that could be understandable. As it is today, its not.
At the very least, we should get more info about how Individual Mentality and Team Mentality works.

Cheers! </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok lets not turn this thread into an argument. As i have tried and tried to tell you, I am giving my ideas and it has worked for me and others. Craggsy himself has said it has worked.

To spell it out for you here is my logic:

I try to counter whatever the opposition does in a game.

This is similar to what Cleon does if you read his sheff utd thread.

Now what i was saying about the team being all over me. This happens WITHOUT them changing formation admittedly i did not say this.

What i have definantly found is that when i am behind if they are attacking and attacking i switch to play a defensive formation and counter them i win. Therefore it works for me.

Now you obviously do not like this way of playing the game. Instead of trying to have arguements try discussing the ideas and your views and maybe i will be able to accept what you are saying. However if you continue to basically say the way i play is B/S then you are not in the right place as these forums are for discussing ideas.

Just to stress why i do it:

It works

retired_bigtomson · 05-10-2007, 11:14 PM

Apologies Craggsy :thup:

retired_wh0isj3ss3 · 05-11-2007, 12:28 AM

Whatever. I give up. You bore me now, good luck with your team.

retired_supreme523 · 05-13-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by Craggsy_NUFC:
Smithy- They played possesion play in a 4-5-1 with fast strikers. I played my normal formation and matched them playing slow and short with a deep line. I then wen direct and fast and thats when they got their 2nd.

I then reloaded the game, this time beat celtic 8-0, i then put a fast striker on target man(run onto ball) playing direct/fast and counter attack, i beat everton 4-1.

I watch games in key, sometimes in extended. I played in full for a while then went back to key. I do look at march stats, they are helpful.

OZFC - Why do you put full backs on hold up ball??? seems strange

Chriseldiablo - Their usual tacticts are defensive 4-1-4-1 using counter attack or possession play. Obviously, if they are playing narrow i.e. 4-1-3-2, ill play wide and usually get a good result. AI playing narrow isnt usually the problem however.

Re Fullbacks on Hold Up Ball
I don't start with the full backs, I start with the MC's, progress to the wingers, then back to the FB's. I usually have my FBs crossing from deep, so they tend to stick close to halfway line with the ball, while others make forward runs. The idea is that the defenders have to worry about the free players in their box, marking them will create space to lob the ball into. If it's not working and my FBs are losing the ball, I'll stop it and try something else.

Breaking teams down?

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.

Breaking teams down?