retired_trw422

I also use a small fast striker at most of the time since he is way better then my tall target player type of striker. The small one seem to good enough at the home tactic to keep his place in the starting XI. He do some goals at home even though that this type of play shouldnt suit him. But to be honest my most goals at home comes from the wingers or the midfielders. What i have noticed is that the small striker scores mostly on early crosses when he can use his pace to get behind the defender and connect on the cross ball. Dont think i have seen him score once on a cross that is delivered from the cornerflag when the box is full of defenders. Im going to try and get a hand of a better striker that is more the target man type of player and see how much difference this makes to score on crosses when it is crowded in the box.

I will post some updates to the tactic when i have tested them enough so i exactly can describe the difference between them and the tactic i posted. Right now i can give you one change that i have found very useful.

If you reduce the arrow that go from your offensive midfielder to the FC position by half. The arrow should just go straight up to the AMC position above the midfielder instead of to the FC position. This will get more out of your offensive midfielder, because i found out that he sometimes go to far into the box so the other midfielder cant reach him with a short pass. Now the midfielder will be in the box sometimes and sometimes just outside the area. The passing between the to players on the central midfield will be much improved, and if he is good at long shots he will be very dangerous since he is just outside the area and can go for goal if a good chance come by. This would be great for you with your Steven Gerrard. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers mate, will try that tonight!

Godfather

I try with championship league team. cant play well. Because closing down are too much so the players just lost prosession at all. Zenith.. do u think 433 can work with low clossing down?

retired_infinite_dreams

Nistelrooy:

Well i havent tried with low closing down to be honest. But IMO high closing down is a big part of the tactic. The wingers need to close down hard to put pressure on the fullbacks so they dont get time to build up the attack by playing short passes to the midfield. The striker need to try and do the same for but against the center backs. The defenders should be forced to play a long ball up the pitch, then it is more likely that my team can win it back and get hold of the possession again. The central midfielders also need to put alot of pressure on the man with the ball so they dont get time to dictate the play on the midfield.

This is the main thing in the home version of the tactic. Away i dont close down and put pressure as hard as i do at home. At away games i want the opposition team to get inside my half while i defend deep before i win the ball. This way i will have more space to use when i switch from defending and go for a counter attack.

Godfather

zenith.. i read urs forum said that alway game u set urs fullback and midfielder much closing down. so can i know well how much closing down u given urs players at alway game. Because alway game the players are low mentality but using so high closing down just let the players out of position.

retired_infinite_dreams

I dont think i said that I use very high closeing down on the fullbacks. I belive that i said that i let the fullback's close down a bit more when playing away compared to how i do it at home. By that i mean that the fullbacks is around mixed for clowsing down (10). The midfielders is around often (15) on the scale.

I dont seem to understand the problem you have, you say that your fullbacks get caught out of position because they are on low mentality and have high closing down. This dont add up for me, it would be more likely that they get out of poistion and overplayed if they had high mentality and high closing down.

Do you mean that the opposition get behind your fullbacks to easy?

retired_trw422

Zenith just thought I'd give you a quick update on how your tactic is working for my Liverpool team.

Zaragoza (H) 4-1
Aston Villa (A) 1-3
Gelsenkirchen (A) 1-1

As you can see I had a blip with the Villa away result but I think really it was just one of those matches. Once again I had most of the possession and superior shots on goal ratio but Villa hit me running and were 3-0 up in the first 23 minutes but didn't have another meaningful shot on goal until the last 20 minutes or so.

After I'd made a few adjustments I soon got on top and nearly salvaged a draw (hit the woodwork and had a goal disallowed). I was quite happy with the Gelsenkirchen result as we had both already qualified from the group, and once again was pretty comfortable throughout.

So yeah very happy with the way things are going and will resume again tonight hopefully with a few wins!

Any more news on your updates to the tactic?

Cheers.

retired_infinite_dreams

Kozma:

No i dont have any updates yet that will make a big change to the tactic. What im working with is the away tactic, sometimes i find my central midfielders get drawn out to the flanks by the opposition. And they shouldnt need to be there since the wingers and full backs should take care of closing the flanks down. What happens in some games is that both the winger and fullback is out on the flank (where they should be) and then the central midfielder decide to go and help them. This leaves a big whole in the middle that the opposition can use if the play the ball into that area.

What im trying to do to counter this is to reduce the closing down for the two central midfielders a bit. The wingers and fullbacks still have the same closing down, and this seem to help. Im also testing out the difference between using tight marking for the back four and not, but i havent got that far in this yet. I will keep you posted if i find out what od the two is the best and when to use it.

But i dont have any big problems with the tactic, it is still solid and get the job done very well. It just that i get annoyed when i conced 2 goals at one game and i would like to mininize that to be one goal or zero.

My record so far into this first season with Sunderland is, Pos: 1st P: 19 W: 13 D: 4 L: 2 For: 36 Ag: 15 Pts: 43

Do you have any comments about the tactic that you want me to look into?

retired_trw422

No I don't think there is anything else that I have a problem with mate, it seems to be working really well for you also.

Got Michael Owen out injured for a few weeks and so now have to decide who to draft in to fill his boots. Might do as you suggested in the original post and try a taller striker like Crouch and click on targetman and see how that works.

retired_infinite_dreams

I you decide to try that out then let me know the result from it. I dont have a good target man in my squad right now, but it is on the wish list.

So it will take some time before i can try that out myself.

retired_trw422

I'm not sure you could call Crouch a good target man!!

Mind you though he was my best player and top scorer in my 1st season and even managed to get 3rd place in player of the year but has been edged out by Owen and the new tactic. He'll get his chance tonight though my next match could be a bit tricky - Middlesboro away in the league.