retired_jacutting

7.0.0 unpatched, you could actually go on great runs if you had semi good team. In 7.0.2 it's impossible to win trophies without amazing teams and even then you can't string along 10 wins in a row.. At least from my experience. I played 6 seasons on 7.0.2 with Lazio and the highest i ever got in the league was 6th.... Tough tough game, but i like the challenge.

retired_janellewood86

Great call man.....I couldn't have said it any better! </BLOCKQUOTE>
Is the fact that a goal completely changes a game in real life a decent rebuttal at this point or not?

retired_ladylimdiddy

It doesn't always change IRL though, the opposition don't always suddenly start having chances just because you have scored. I mean sometimes its even straight from the kick off ffs.

Quite often when you score IRL the oppositions heads will go down and you can play even better.

It just seems too scripted that the same thing seems to happen time after time.

retired_kstaley

Agree with all the comments.
The thing that gets me is seeing how Cleon and others play the game is so unrealistic.You build up a lovely passing team through a playmaker in midfield ,short passing ,movement off the ball ie like Milan tonight,and because you HAVE to play opposite to how opponent plays,you have to INSTRUCT ALL your players to lump it foward ,instead of playing it short etc...so UNREALISTIC

my 10 cents !

retired_janellewood86

Then we're saying the same thing? It does affect the game.

A side that lets in a goal will change its approach. You, therefore, have to change yours.

The idea that even a side such as Watford are "crap" and shouldn't be able to fight back is a non-sense. Look at the FA Cup semi-final. Watford changed tactics. Manchester United adapted, and made sure the same things didn't happen again.

Now, I agree with you - a solid tactic should work well with good players because world class players should naturally be able to adapt to the changing conditions, to a point. But a Premier League team, at any level, has immense quality and will be able to change things around.

I don't see what's unrealistic about having to change your approach after a goal if your current set-up doesn't work in those circumstances. But I will concede that it should be easier to impliment the simple changes that should be needed to counter these things. And certain teams are far too efficient in their implimentation of their changes.

The problem lies in the implimentation, though, not in the match engine itself. The idea behind changing tactics after a goal is very realistic.

retired_virginialaitano

To me this game is both. Enjoyable because of the challenge it offers but unejoyable because of the frustrating minute changing in tactics that you have to make in order to beat teams like excelsior(dutch watfordish team).

Everysingle time it goes like this:

- I choose Ajax my favourite and together with PSV the best team in the dutch league

- I hire staff, alter training, buy players, get everything set up bassicly

- I create a tactic using all kinds of advice from the forums and my own experience with the game. I also think i have a fair understanding of football and i try to implement this into my tactics.

- I win the first games with good results 5-1, 4-0, etc, etc and against good teams like PSV and the CL qualifier. The football is good to watch i dominate possesion and have great pass completion.

- After about 6/7 games i get some bogus match against RKC. I lose no matter what I can save the game before the match and reload and reload and reload but no matter what I do. I lose. I give different pre game speaches, I approach the opponent differtent in the press, I change my line up.. nothing works.

- I lose or draw most other matches and the season is ruined. For me that is just bullshit. I have better players, it shouldnt matter if I play a damn 1-7-3.. A decent 442 433 343 should get me good results.

- I start a new game..

The fact that its so challenging makes it fun but it shouldnt be to challenging. I dont have a lot of time I have to work and go to college. Plus the pub has some strange kind of hold over me. The game should be challenging and rewarding but not always i love beating PSV in a hard fought managerial war with changes every 5 minutes but against Helmond Sport I shouldnt have to do this.

I opt for some kind of game reading stat that players should have. Let the leaders of you're team read the game and change the way its played on the pitch. Mourinho doesnt tell his players to move back 1 meter if its not working, lampard terry and the likes do that.

It should be doable + it would make buying older players move interresting because of their experience etc etc

anyway i'm starting a new game

bye

retired_ladylimdiddy

Yes Millie it does affect the game but it affects the game way to drastically on this game at the moment and is very scripted.

Like I said and please read this carefully, just because a team scores in a match IRL does not necessarily mean they will then start getting hammered. Quite often the team that conceded can lose confidence and play worse.

But at the moment EVERY time u score the opposition starts to have chances immediately. If you think this is realistic then you've either not watched much real life football or you simply don't understand it.

You probably spend that much time playing this game that it has actually brainwashed you into thinking it is realistic when it clearly isn't.

Now im sure you will come back with something silly again completely missing my point.

retired_janellewood86

Oh, yes, completely missing the point. Something about pots and kettles comes to mind, but I can't formulate the phrase right now.

I realise that:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Just because a team scores that doesn't mean the game will turn
<LI>The game has a habit of choosing just the right tactic at the right time (though this predictability cannot really be an excuse as you should be expecting it and have learned to counter it by now)
</UL>
However, it doesn't happen all the time in this game. At least, it doesn't on my version. In fact, very often taking the lead can open up a team and lead to quite a healthy win. If it's happening to you, your tactics either aren't as balanced as you think they are, or the mentality (attribute-wise) of your players isn't quite right or your approach (tweaking, tactic switching, squad management etc.) leaves a lot to be desired.

You keep banding about this word "realism", and quite frankly there are too many people on this forum who use it as some kind of catch-all argument. The fact is, if you adapt the problems of the match engine can be overcome. Those problems lie in the efficacy of the AI's tactics and ability to choose the right approach, NOT in the act of adapting per se.

As for playing the game so much I've been brainwashed, come off it. I constantly gripe about the game, arguing that it needs to be improved, arguing that parts of the game are just plain stupid and even backing you up on a number of your points. The difference is, I can accept that a game is flawed and still enjoy it. The idea that I'm some kind of SI whore for actually liking the game is absurd in the extreme.

Actually, the biggest difference is that instead of moaning about the unrealistic (sic) AI adapting to my approach, I do something about it. I don't always win - in fact, quite often I get raped by a poor team - but at least I will blame myself, rather than hiding behind the flaws in the game.

I'm not going to apologise for pointing out the idiocy of claiming to stand for "realism" when actually you stand for "simplification". I think this game needs both. And I will support any well founded plans for doing so.

retired_mairamedina

I'm enjoying this current version alot, but it could be improved. it took me 4 years before another manager said something to me through the press, and I still think there should be more news stories parading your success seeing as after I won all 7 trophies on offer last season, it was as if i'd won nothing given the reaction of some people.

retired_mgavlick

@ horseman_Plague:

Out of interest, how do you set up your reputation pre-game? No rep through to ex international. My reading of your situation is that because you have little reputation personally, most teams start against you thinking they can get something out of the game. Once you do well for 6-7 games, the league position overrides that lack of reputation and teams begin to shut up shop against you. You will have to make your tactics more aggressive to counter that.

ALl your changes and frustrations make the situation worse, and as you have little rep, the payers are likley to underperform as they don't respect you, your team talks, or the tactics.

I could be wrong though

Millie: I like the idea of an efficacious AI. We thus need to become more self-efficacious to counter it. The first stage of self-efficacy is the realisation that there are things you need to do to improve your own performance. Note, your own performance rather than blaming something else, i.e. the game!