retired_B-Scott

The reason why AI switches to 424 is to win games

retired_janellewood86

I still maintain that 4-2-4 is a realistic formation to play, it's just the way it's implimented.

To tell your strikers to attack, attack, attack and ignore their defensive duties is pretty much to play a 4-2-4.

The problem is that it happens a) far too often, b) far too predictably and c) the AI should not be bringing on two centre forwards for its wing players.

At least the 4-2-4 gives you a massive clue as to what the opposition's doing. If it stuck to 4-4-2 and suddenly started hammering you there'd be even more complaints.

retired_koolvins

I have less problems with the 3 things you said, Millie, and more issues about how effective it is. Their players win just about every ball, and all of their forwards become Maradonas and Ronaldos.

retired_janellewood86

I agree with that. Though I think it must be easily counterable if we had a few more clues as to what all of our tactical instructions are supposed to do. Obviously we need to go more defensive, but it's not as simple as moving the mentality slider down. So what do we have to do? That would make the game far more accessable.

retired_Damonica

he lives in australia???? no one told me that. :eek:

RoO is hogwash then. in spite of the fact that it's been working for me.

retired_Damonica

if you see it coming or anticipate it, and counter it, there will be few draws.

think of 4-2-4 as merely pressing the side MFs as wingers. i've seen most 4-4-2 teams do that when they're losing especially in cup matches.

i think in real life if the manager with the lead didn't adjust to the all-out attack they WOULD get their butts whupped.

one thing that annoys me though--if *i* am losing and try to go into an all out attack, *i* automatically concede a goal. it's as if the AI KNEW i'd try to have a go at it when i'm down a goal in the last ten minutes. <<sulks, pouts>>

retired_Damonica

translation: grogsy ain't automatically winning, therefore it's obviously the game's fault. it's unrealistic. and, additionally, it's programmed by the antichrist himself to persecute grogsy personally.

cm4, on the other hand, was utterly realistic--in other words, it let grogsy win. sadly for him, it was only a ploy to get him to buy 2k7 and thereby ruin his life.

retired_Damonica

PS grogsy:

i had the pleasure of seeing van gaal's 95-96 ajax team play in real life. if ever there were a team that played THEIR brand of football and took it to the other team THEIR way, it was that ajax squad.

and they were most definitely not a crap, winning the cup with big ears in 95, and runner up to juve in 96.

however... that funny looking former defenseman (van gaal) would shout at them, and guess what? they'd ADJUST THEIR TACTICS. that's right... :eek: one of the best teams of the 90s, pre-bosman ajax, adjusted their tactics to counter what their opponent threw at them.

part of the genius of the ajax system was its flexibility. (the other part was that they grew their players to fit the system, but bosman had to go and ruin that).

point is, great teams ALWAYS CHANGE THEIR TACTICS NOT ONLY FROM GAME TO GAME, BUT WITHIN THE GAME, ADJUSTING TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE PITCH. if you don't believe that, you must be staring into your newest pint instead of watching the actual football.

retired_skullking1971

In real life would it not be more likely for a team chasing a lead to, in FM terms, increase the mentality slider rather than change to 4-2-4 anyway?
Imo 4-2-4 should only be used rarely as it is extremely risky and vaulnrable and would be more likely to concede as much as score.
With the right tactics it is possible to counter the 4-2-4 but i still think it's over used and should only be occasionally successful.

retired_BrownVanilla

4-2-4 is annoying and btw great sarcasm from millie and wwfan lol