Hogie

I had a great start to my Basingstoke career 2 promotions in three season(Bragging ). Up pops a message asking me if I wanted to run the England under 19 team. After the good start I thought it as boarder line realistic so took the job, despite my reputation being obscure.
Now I don’t really have a problem at the moment cause all the England players are too damn good to play for Basingstoke. However in a few years time if I am still managing England I might see a player that I want to go after for my Basingstoke team…
So here at last is the question, can I use any knowledge I gain on players as England U19 manager when I put my Basingstoke Manager hat back on? Obviously being National manager involves using the dreaded player search when adding players to the squad. I could scout then after I find them but more I think about I think this could be a slippery slope. Where do I stop. Players on the U19 team, subs, on the squad, in the England shortlist, players I looked at but decided not to add to the shortlist?
I think I have talked myself into not using any knowledge whatsoever but would be interested to know how you guys handled this?

LFCfan

It's a tricky one. I'm not personally sure what is a decent answer

jcb23

I handle it by not being good enough to get international jobs

Wizzle_O_Sizzle

My personal feeling would be that you would be able to use the knowledge gleaned from the international job at club level: after all, you're the same person.

HOWEVER, the way that international jobs are currently implemented in FM is awful - you don't have a scouting system in place at all. I would suggest that the only way that you could remain true to the LLM way and still do the international thing properly would be to actually go off and view games yourself with a view to eyeing up potential U19 talent - that, and scouts doing the same, is what I imagine happens IRL in an international setup.

Perad

I don't think there is a problem, IRL managers take players or staff with them from one club to another. By managing a nation you will know the players pretty well. You will know what they are capable of so i don't see a problem in signing players.

jcb23

Yup. I think you'd have to get in an extra scout, send him off to do international player scouting and go from there. At that point anything he finds is also fair game for your club.

Wizzle_O_Sizzle

I would say that it's hardly fair to expect Basingstoke to pay for a scout that's used for England, but when it's mutual benefit...

Hogie

I could do a fids special and play 10 goalkeepers outfield and a striker in goal and just get sacked by England thereby removing the problem. I just couldn’t resign not in my nature.

jcb23

It's not fair. It is, however, the only LLaMa-ethical way to do it that I can think of. And it does have mutual benefits as you say.

CntZer0

Which is what I did in may last career at Wigan/Ireland (I didn't start it there, though, before anyone jumps on me -- see my update if you want to know).

Since anyone discovered for Ireland would likely be useful to Wigan, I simply had a Wigan scout do his regular searches and then filtered his findings for Ireland eligible players when he was done. Not that the bastard ever found anyone, anyway, but that's another story.

Anyone I watched on my International squad, however, I treated as LLM ethical a priori knowledge, even if my scout didn't view them first - it seems realistic to me - I worked and trained with them prior to every international match - a benefit of getting a lucky International job. I didn't, however, treat the U21s and U19s the same way - if I didn't see them in a match, I had to scout them.

Just my 2p

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