bodymassindicator

I can't stand international management in FM for some of the very reasons mentioned already, so I never do it anymore. If I were to take an international job, I would only manage the country and resign from my club, as quite frankly, I think that would be the realistic thing to do. I know there have been some exceptions in real life, but not that many, and I'm sure even those folks have a hell of a time justifying that to the media and public. For a country like Poofland or other major footballing nations it is unfathomable that they'd let you get away with splitting your time between club and country.

By concentrating on one country alone you can watch games yourself to scout eligible players, and as an international manager I would certainly look at statistics from the leagues to see which players of that nationality perform well and then visit a game or two to watch them. Ideally you should be able to hire a scout for the national side as well to let him do that for you, but that's where FM falls short.

Overall it's not nearly as much fun as club management for me, so I never do it anymore. In a really long career save I might consider giving it another spin, but I'm sure I'll get bored. I definitely won't manage club and country at the same time, so I'll never run into the dilemma described here.

retired_sandra

Peter Taylor has been the Hull manager & England under 21 manager for a while. There's a Ukrainian who was Dinamo Kiev & Ukraine manager for ages. It's not the club & country management that's a problem, more so whether your reputation is good enough.

The England under 19s coach wouldn't have a great reputation, but I reckon obscure is pushing it somewhat.

retired_jsammut

I agree completely, and only a handful of examples spring to mind of a manager coaching a club and national outfit. It does seem that this occurs a hellva lot in FM2006 (3 top national sides in my save currently have a manager who also run a club).

retired_duncan

The current Aussie manager has used his international knowledge to add to his PSV squad.

Obscure example, but an example nonetheless :thup:

retired_frogchickie

I can tell you what I think from my own experiences at Wales and TNS.

Firstly, it's obviously very debatable whether a LoW manager would get offered the Wales job However, the circumstances are slightly different, and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be in charge.

The dual management thing - yes it is rare, but it does happen. And, quite simply, I can't imagine an international-only game being entertatining.

As for players - I have no choice but to use the player search screen - my scouts would never find the top end players possible to pick, thus rendering it pointless. Also, the national pool has players picked by the u21 and u19 managers, who I can promote.

And, the original point about purchasing players using your national team knowledge - quite simply, despite TNS' rise, none of the players in the squad would think twice about joining me anyway.

bodymassindicator

And that's the crux of it. International management isn't really 100% compatible with LLM guidelines, so that's why for me it's an either-or scenario. You can run into all kinds of dilemmas by trying to mix the two. I'm not saying it's wrong or even unrealistic (I mean, if I were actually appointed manager of Poofland's U19, the first thing I would ask someone to do for me is compile a shortlist of eligible players). It's just a big mess that I like to avoid.

retired_frogchickie

And that's the crux of it. International management isn't really 100% compatible with LLM guidelines, so that's why for me it's an either-or scenario. You can run into all kinds of dilemmas by trying to mix the two. I'm not saying it's wrong or even unrealistic (I mean, if I were actually appointed manager of Poofland's U19, the first thing I would ask someone to do for me is compile a shortlist of eligible players). It's just a big mess that I like to avoid. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I agree to a certain extent. In my case (I am aware I could just be trying to convince myself here ) the national team players and the TNS players are mutually exclusive, there will almost certainly be no circumstance where I would even be in a position to sign any of them.

But, to make it more LLM-friendly, ie international scouts etc, wouldn't be such a hard proposition for SI, I wouldn't have thought? Maybe we should suggest it next time they ask the LLaMers what they would like in FM07.

bodymassindicator

Yes it would be nice but it wouldn't get rid of the dilemma. The way it's handled right now with using a filtered player search isn't even that unrealistic. Any national manager would have access to a shortlist of eligible players if he asked for it. That list would consist of players who have played for any of the youth setups before, and players in the better leagues around the world. Following that, you should watch games yourself and send out a scout to watch others for you to determine who to call up.

As Nobby has mentioned, it's more important that they make it more realistic as to who is appointed for a national side.

retired_davek

If the current England U19 coach is who I think it is still (can't be ar$ed doing my usual research), his level of experience at managing in the league is a few months at the bottom of the league with Forest...

retired_rlh1985

As a dutch guy I can tell you he is not the only one. There are at least 2 Dutch trainers 1 in Estonia and 1 I believe in Armenia that are coaching the national team as well as one of the national clubs.
One of the coaches of the Dutch national team is also in charge of a first league club. So I think you will find a lot of examples also in other countries. Although I agree that for most of the major football countries this will not be acceptable

Actually I have on experience with this in the game. I have been offered one time the Singapore job but turned it down.
Did a lot of you guys accept these combined positions?