zyx345

I am just gonna ignore that guy...and I don't wanna know how he manipulated his game either, because if it isn't an editor and is a bug he is exploiting, I think we would all be tempted to do it as well... </BLOCKQUOTE>

im guessing he just put the keeper upfront for a game, which is why the score was 17-2.

so what if it's a bug that you don't want to know about? if i knew about it, then i still wouldn't use it. i very, very much doubt it's a bug though, instead this guy's just being an arse and has too much time on his hands.

retired_joshlhall

:thup:IIRC, I used the third unsettle option, the one that is more passive.

zyx345

i used the ST as 'mixed' target man all throughout FM06 whilst using my 4-3-2-1/4-3-3/4-5-1 and i did brilliantly with it. the wingers scored quite a few and both MCs got plenty of goals, albeit mainly from long shots and corner goals which won't happen as much in FM07 i reckon (the corner goal routine doesn't work now anyway).

as for a target man working in FM07, it seems to do alright so far. if i'm playing it 'mixed' to either toni or smithy (in the lone ST role in the 4-3-2-1etc or one of the 4-4-2s) then it works well as high balls get flicked on to either the other striker or wingers, and they're both decent on the ball and have a bit of pace.

in my 4-4-2 where rooney is the target man, this works just as effectively with him playing there because he's technically brilliant of course! helps to have someone quick beside him for the through balls/short passes, but when i've played solskjaer there (in either 4-4-2) then he's been very effective due to his great finishing, composure, anticipation and off the ball stats, which in some instances make up for, or are better than pacey strikers with not as good striker stats such as saha.

having 2 4-4-2s where i play the ball differently to the forward line will help a lot in 07 i think. the report you get on the opposition a couple of days before a game sometimes helps decide what tactic to play. for example:
1. if the report says the defence is good in the air then i may want to keep the ball on the floor and use the 'to feet' target man system. 2. if the report says that the defence are well organised then i'll put a big man upfront to throw a cat amongst the pigeons (so to speak) as they may not be able to deal with him well, so my other striker gets plenty of chances from flick-ons.
3. if the report says the defence is a bit slow then i may want to either use the 4-4-2 'to feet' system with a quick striker alongside rooney, or either use the 4-3-2-1etc tactic to push my wingers higher up the pitch to get in behind the defence easier.

it'd be easier if we could assign multiple target men i.e. having rooney and toni upfront, so i could have rooney as a 'to feet' target man and also have toni as the 'to head' or 'mixed' target man to maximise options. also, it'd be even better if we could assign target men to 2 of the options e.g. 'run onto ball' and 'to feet' for rooney, rather than just picking one of the options, as i wouldn't select 'mixed' for rooney as he's cr@p in the air.

i started a thread on that target man issue a few months ago in GQ. i'll dig it up later hopefully, as it's deal or no deal time now.

retired_msqyork

I bought jermaine Defoe for United for £9 million at the end of the first season and he is asbolutely eletric. 29 goals in 24 games. And he's not even first choice. Have rooney and toni as front two but one of them always seems to be injured.

Defoe seems to work well with either of them

retired_ricky118666

Gra said everything there pretty much :thup: But there is another use of target man I have used on a number of occasions which he didnt include. If you want to play a pacey lone striker rather than a big man such as Torres or Villa or someone of similar stature, you can use the 'run onto ball' and more often than not your pacey lone striker will run onto a ball that is placed behind a defensive line. Keep in mind though, that the pacey lone man has to have very good dribbling skill and finishing/composure and to have very good winger for this to be most effective.

zyx345

so you've got the full game already then? and played a whole season already?! wow.

defoe was very good on 06, but he's been tuned down a bit for 07. still does well though it seems, although used rightly i might expect him to score that many.

zyx345

there, i did mention it, jimmy.

the reason why i don't use 'run onto ball' target man is that it depends on how your opponents play. you'll need them to play with a high defensive line for it to be most effective, so it limits your options. it would work best away from home, as the opposition are likely to play a quite high defensive line whereas they won't if they're away. with a quite deep defensive line, you'll need to have very good players in your team (a striker who has very good pace, acceleration, dribbling, first touch, technique, balance, finishing and composure as well as midfielders who have good passing, decisions and vision(creativity) to be able to play a good ball at the right time to a striker who has the ability to do things by himself as well as finishing the chance.

i do actually use a 'run onto ball' target man, but it's only very occasionally. when i'm winning a game by the odd goal with less than 15 minutes left, the opposition will always change to a 4-2-4, so i need to be a bit tighter at the back and therefore change to my 4-1-4-1 'kill game' tactic. i'll try to play a lone ST who's able to play as a 'mixed' target man (to maximise options), but for some reason if that's not feasable (e.g. if i've already taken toni or smithy off etc) then i'll have a 'run onto ball' target man. this does alright in this case because the opposition will be pushing up trying to get an equaliser and i'll want to just keep the ball upfield so will need someone quick to chase the ball either into the corners or have the ability to create a good chance for himself to hopefully see off the game.

retired_minstyles

I suppose I'll give the targetman a trial run with Klose when I get him then. Maybe the lone striker too.

zyx345

that could pose a problem for klose if you use him as target man. if you play high balls to him, he won't win too many headers against the defence because his strength isn't great. high balls are always easier for defenders to deal with in FM anyway, so you need your STs to have good jumping, strength and heading.

i'll always use a target man because it gives you more control on what your players do, rather like tweaking team and player instructions if you start off with a standard tactic. obviously, it's not to that extend, but you get my point i hope.

retired_minstyles

He would win headers but he just wouldn't be able to hold the ball for very long. Well I'm not a fan of Toni so unless Klose and Villa cost too much or don't want to come he's out of the frame. I've given up on Iaquinta too since he seems rather average now I look more closely.