retired_aprilcox

If all my players were on the same wages as my backroom staff I'd be the happiest man alive (unless I was on the wages of some of my players!!)

retired_sriracha

Well.. The base of the Marxist idea is that the worker must be the owner of what he produces, unlike the actual days where the capitalists (owners of the capital) make profit on you, giving to you only a part of that to you...

The part they take from you is stolen from you because they doesn't produces nothing from that...

Well, equalaty on wages.. Personaly i don't belive in this! Diferences are good if to organizate the society!.

In FM, well, the only way for applying the marxism will be raising the wages... with some but not necessarily *qual* and get shure that the board will never make profit on what the players are producing (Tickets, Merchandising and other...).

Well boys.. i have no intention on praying Marxism on you.. if someone is already anti-capitalist i would like to talk about it.

The thing is that i know how annoing for you this can be if i begun to defend my ideas alone so i always prefer to avoid tha talk with people that doesn't agree with it.

Mean no harm, just my of dealing with this!!

retired_duncan

1. You should be a politician. Only discussing things with people that agree with you Sounds like a democratic (or any other party) convention where they just cheer every bloody comment.

2. Unfortunately not too many clubs make a profit so under your model the players would be deemed to be 'stealing' from the club. The board/chairman would have to inject this 'stolen' money back into the club. Oh wait...

retired_sriracha

Ok.. i surrender... In Communists contrys the Sports are all amauter, so FM will never can fit it!

About the rest, well.. if you lived in Brasil you would for shure hate the "democracy we have here!

retired_duncan

Fair enough. I am no position to comment there. However, I would say that my comments were not intended to champion the democratic cause in your country or elsewhere.

isabe

Well, there's no such thing as a communist country, so you can't tell. Judging by the approximations we have had in the past, they are not amateur, they are simply state controlled.

retired_tinkfaeree

Do you hate the democracy? Or do you hate corrupt politicians, who only care about themselves?

Democracy is a theory, like Communism, Marxism or whatever else. In an ideal world, they all would work perfectly. But in the real world, there are way too many factors that affect the result. The poorer a country is, the worse capitalism (and thus democracy, since they are pretty much interconnected) works.

retired_duncan

I was about to make a comment about not confusing democracy with capitalism and now you've inexorably linked the two.

What about China?

retired_tinkfaeree

I don't really see a concept of capitalism there, wewak. The Chinese government is mainly trying to get foreign cash into the country by producing at a cost that doesn't even cover the expenses (even in comparison to the old-fashioned sweat-shops in Thailand or Vietnam). In my opinion, dealing with China and thinking they are playing a fair game is very naive and dangerous.

retired_duncan

Well, if you're right, it's a good job I'm not a foreign trade minister or businessman.

And, I don't claim that you're not right, you'll notice my query was very tenatative.