gubbs

Has anyone ever had a youth player come through the ranks and go on to become world class.

NOT one you signed from elsewhere?

Also, does it still happen in-game where your staff bring on young players every season and one or two are regens of a retired former first team star?

sifrow

Regens are now newgens, that is completely new players.

I've had good youth players, but none that would ever be considered world class (which is correct imo, ther should be few world class players).

gubbs

Fair enough ..

I was just wondering if there was a particularly strong correlation between a 'world class' youth player (or one with potential ability up there) and clubs with facilities.

It seems to me in real life, few major clubs produce these starlets as they often emerge in lower leagues or teams where they can get into the first team and develop.

Is this reflected in the game - hence why as Man Utd I never get anyone world class coming through?

Or is it, as you say, simply a very very rare occurrence and mainly random?

Jonfun1980

I would like to know, say you managed Darlington for 5 seasons. Did not go up or down league 2. Could a top class premier league player come out of your ranks?
Or do they only come out of top clubs?

gubbs

More specifically, does the game earmark certain clubs as having a particularly good percentile for quality young players?

Forest, Everton, Crewe, Burnley, Liverpool etc.

stokes_83

I have seen some screens of very good newgens, but the common factor they all lack is physical attributes. Lots of guys with 20 crossing and dribbling but not many with high attributes in pace , acceleration, or agility.

deltablue

one potential good premiership (or even leading premiership depending on who's report I used, but even the scout with maxed stats for judging ability and potential who gave me the latter assessment has revised it to simply 'good') left winger in just over 7 seasons. thats it really, and he's of little use to me the way things are currently going.

LillyWhiteBoy

Take a long, hard look at the potential ability scores by position worldwide. Use something like FMScout if you must.

Without fail, every single position, when sorted on potential, has a raft of well known, current players at the top of the list. Not one single, solitary "youth" player, anywhere, rated as being the next big thing.

Yes I know about the bands of negative PA values and the range they generate between, and I don't care whether its weighted so that the bulk of -10 PA generate a score close to the bottom mark for the range. Personally I believe that in every generation there are and will only ever be a few truly great players.

BUT!

Not even ONE young, highly rated, undeveloped player, big or little club, anywhere? In most games I've started? (yes with the 8.0.1 patch).

Personally, to me the biggest failing in the data, is what appears to be the poor level of research done on youth players.

Check your old versions guys. Players like Micah Richards (for example) have had their PA go up in successive versions. Lower league and young/reserve players from one version to another have had their PA "upgraded" as they appear to have come under the 'scope of researchers to a greater extent, but the new crop of youngsters in every version remain to a very large extent, underesearched.

Now I will say in SI's defence, that research, being voluntary and perenially understaffed thats not a surprise. To offset that SI "might" want to consider having a slightly higher number of juniors generating higher scores in their -PA band, maybe even have a random chance for one or two suprise packets to be genrated. Its just a thought.

Then again, they could also suggest to researchers that not judging young players at a club, by the same standards as their first team brethren might give the game data a little lift.

Because at present its boringly predictable how in almost any league, the vast majority of young players, not already in the first team are rated in a very narrow, bland range of PA deemed appropriate for the leagues. When I see young players for a team showing almost a consistent CA 40, PA -5, I almost always think, here's one lot the researcher never looked at even once.