retired_b_t78

Hi GhtY

Sorry, no easy way to get the data, I have spent all afternoon going through the save file I made at the end of the 2007/8 season and checking all the appropriate match summary's in the split screen view.

retired_GoBlue31

I did the same thing a while back and my stats were very similar to yours.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...2039463?r=6112084563

One thing I would mention is i've done about another 7 seasons since but I have stopped tracking the data. But as my team has got better the problem has become worse.

retired_dego72

Spot on- the defending is actually so poor that defenders withot lightning pace are absolutely useless as they fail to block not only passing avenues but allow players to run through them.

IMO SI made a mistake by quite obviously taking the easy way out and nerfing finishing, rather than fixing the woeful defending.

retired_GoBlue31

sorry, need to scroll down a bit in that post to see the stats.

I made a spreadsheet to record the results and work out the %'s etc and logged them after each match.

retired_b_t78

Ok, so I left the analysis with an assumption that there were too many chances being created, but the overall shots to goals success ration was “OK”. If this has any shred of truth, then the goalkeepers should be saving more shots than for real. I have managed to find this data for the real 2006/7 season on goalkeepers. I have used James, Hahnemann and Friedel as they were the only 3 that played all 38 matches.

Hahnemann (Reading) 2006/7
Shots on target – 211
Saves – 164
Goals Conceded - 47
Saves Percentage – 78.5%

James (Portsmouth) 2006/7
Shots on target – 180
Saves – 138
Goals Conceded – 42
Saves Percentage – 76.7%

Friedel (Blackburn) 2006/7
Shots on target – 207
Saves – 153
Goals Conceded – 54
Saves Percentage – 73.9%

These are the figures for 3 of the teams from my 2007/8 season with Aston Villa

Aston Villa 2007/8 FM08 – 3rd
Shots on target – 197
Saves – 174
Goals Conceded – 23
Saves Percentage – 88.3%

Man City
Shots on target – 201
Saves – 164
Goals Conceded – 37
Saves Percentage – 81.6%

Middlesbrough – 20th
Shots on target – 318
Saves – 247
Goals Conceded – 71
Saves Percentage – 77.6%

So, based on these figures it would seem that the Gks are indeed performing about 15% better than their real life counterparts, and that is balancing out the more shots on target. I get the distinct feeling that overall the match engine is Ok (I do not believe that I am saying that, but the numbers do not lie), but their need to be a small tweak on two of the component parts (the number of shots on target and the performance of the Gks) to bring it into line with reality.

This analysis may come as a surprise to some out there (it did to me). I think we have actually got used to a match engine that gave us more goals to shots than real life and that FM08 is trying to rectify that, all be it that it is not quite their yet. Let’s face it based on this season’s real numbers these would be realistic figures for Arsenal, Aston Villa and Derby per every 10 chances created, which would suggest its the quality of the finisher and the quality of the chance that counts.

Arsenal PL 2007/8
Shots 10
On target 4.4
Goals 1.5
Chances in season - 512 (2006)

Aston Villa PL 2007/8
Shots 10
On target 4.2
Goals 1.6
Chances in season - 367 (2006)

Derby PL 2007/8
Shots 10
On target 4
Goals 0.6
Chances in season – 336 (2006)

Please feel free to pick holes, disagree or generally “flame away”. I will try to defend this as best I can. Any comments from SI would be much appreciated.

retired_suziej

So I decided to look at some data from my current Barcelona side. They are currently 23 matches into the 2011/12 season and are destroying the opposition, so I started out with the hopes that they would make a good conversion rate to show that there isn't too much of a problem.

Overall (23 games into the season, all competitions (except friendlies):
Shots: 402
Shots on Target: 231
Goals: 68
Ratio Scored: 17%
On Target Ratio: 57%
Shots on Target to goals ratio: 29%
Goals/game = 2.96
Shots/game = 17.48
SoT/game - 10.04

Kind of farcical. The shots to goals ratio is on par with the best in real life, but that figures since I'm on top of the league in FM. However, my team is being allowed to create far too many chances. Over 17 shots a game is stupid especially considering how good the shots/shots on target ratio is. The numbers would be even worse if it wasn't for some of my midfield throwing chances away.

Player:------Goals-Shots on Target-Shots
Dos Santos:----1----------12--------18
Iniesta:-------2----------14--------30
Xavi:----------2----------14--------28
VDV:-----------0----------15--------30

The rest of the major shot takers were
Bojan:--------15----------43--------67
Messi:---------6----------29--------40
Mikel:---------9----------18--------38
Walcott:-------5----------11--------20
Eto'o:--------10----------26--------37
Ronaldinho:----6----------21--------38
Reyes:---------2----------10--------16

retired_bbjerke

I dont know why everybody is so suprised or shocked at how totally unrealistic football manager is in a tactical and mathematical sense, the people who program the games are software desingers who know very little about football, if you want to see a real match were the centre forwards actually convert the occasional one on one chance, go to a real game