retired_amena

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Before people start bitching to me about this is only a game blah blah blah i know that, but it is a football game so there for it should mimic football and you shouldn't have to be a Professor of mathematics to get anything out of the game. How many managers in real life have a degree in mathematics im betting less then 2% of them, but yet they manage to get success for there team relative to there abilities and so there for we should with practice be able to accomplish the samething. That does not mean winning the EPL in your first season with West Ham, but with the right players brought in, the right training given and some luck maybe after a couple of seasons you could win it. At the other end of the spectrum you should be able to finish in the top 4 with Man Utd - Chelsea - Liverpool and Arsenal with some ease, because in football nowadays with a strong team you can still get the result against weaker opposition even if you pick the wrong tactics, but in FM if your Chelsea and your playing Halifax and you pick the wrong tactics you'll get hammered 3-0. I do not want a super tactic but then on the other hand i do not want to spend over an hour each match tweaking my tactics, they have to find a middle ground. Basically this game should follow real football mechanics not the make believe Si fairy mechanics it has.
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retired_larson_luck

Am I missing something? Why exactly do you need to be a Professor of Mathematics to play this game?

I imagine less than 2% of FM fans have a degree in maths, but can enjoy relative success.

retired_venomm

I can understand your frustrations but I have to agree with Kenco. You don't have to be a Professor of Mathematics or spend over an hour each match to be able to counter the opponents effectively.

Reading your scout report alone gives you a pretty good idea of how your opponets will play then its a case of just spending a couple of minutes changning some tiny things to match it to the report. If you have a bad scout more often than not the predictions may be slightly off however. But on the whole, mark the danger players, show strikers and wingers onto their wrong foot, close down the wingers and centre backs and the opponent can be pretty well restricted unless their players are far greater than yours.

retired_rayrhi

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retired_e_fores

Yes and if Jose did use he wrong tactics against Halifax he may well loose.

The point is that this game is geared towards the tactics side of things so that it is possible for West Ham to win the title first season if the player (manager) gets things right. This would be far harder IRL. Thus on the other side of the spectrum it is possible for Chelsea to get relegated if the player gets things all wrong.

In real life quality is far more influential on success than tactics. In FM07 tactics are slightly more influential than quality, though the margin for error is larger if you have better players (a bit like real life).

This is not a flaw. It is how SI intended it because one of the great attractions of this game is taking your favourite club from mid-table obscurity to Premiership glory. There has to be a flipside to that coin though.


Regarding your other point; no you don't need a degree in Mathematics but I agree that the game is awfully explained in the manual such that a lot of us would be nowhere without Cleon, wwfan and co. That being said I don't think the game is too hard, though I'd give my ability at it a measly 4 or 5 out of 10.

retired_pennyyoung

if success in this game were determined by our own football management skills, then we would require the training that ferguson and wenger received.

the game is a game and as such is watered down to an extent, IMO, which provides a balance, which of course can be improved in future versions.

the game requires its current mechanics to make it a game and not just a simulation. it allows for user interaction, where the manager in real life would just"shout instructions." several constraints require this. obviously some aspects have been lost in translation from verbal commands to sliders...

i guarantee you that if you took over chelsea from mourinho irl for next season, relegation would become a factor, or are you egotistical enough to believe that you are comparable to mourinho?

without the exceptions, most of us on these forums are not football managers irl. meaning that theoretically, odds are that we may well not be able to cope with a life of management.

however the game is well designed in that even people just learning the sport can achieve some level of success. success is then by definition not a guarantee, unless you are sir alex ferguson having a game of fm07.

the fact of the matter is that unless you actually have a tactic book (to throw at your players), any success on this game should be appreciated.

ramblings end....

retired_janellewood86

I was lost at this one too... maybe if I had a mathematics degree I'd understand. Sigh... my kingdom for a maths degree...

retired_amena

My main point really is that si have gone to far on the side of tactics and not enough with the skill of your players. I do not want the game to be buy the worlds top 11 and win everything but on the other hand i want a team with far superior players to find success over lesser teams easier and it should be harder to win the league with smaller teams but not as hard as IRL
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West Ham IRL would have no chance to win the league in the next 20 years unless something massive happened there and in the game it should be near on impossible to win it in your first couple of seasons but after a couple of seasons of team building and slowly getting further up the table each year then you can mount a title challenge.

This is just IMO i think they have gone from 4 to 19 on the spectrum 1 being success completely being decided on player and 20 completely on tactics.

retired_amena

I was lost at this one too... maybe if I had a mathematics degree I'd understand. Sigh... my kingdom for a maths degree... </BLOCKQUOTE>

most of the theory'ss seem to be very mathematical in the approach to the game thats all i meant really.

retired_janellewood86

Perhaps in the case of RoO, but then it's just numbers because that's the easiest way of representing the sliders.

I hear what you say about it not always being clear what everything does - that's fair enough. But I think if you analyse the more "mathematical" theories, you'll realise they pretty much correspond to real life (in terms of the logic behind them), anyway.

However, I don't think it requires as much picking of the exact tactic as you make out. A good solid set of tactics (at its simplest only two or three) should see you through most situations if you have a really good set of players. It's just knowing when and how to switch.