retired_mrsjb

I've only ever seen "not good enough" for a player I told the scout to look at, in which case I expect him to show up in my offfice, even if it is to say I've been wasting his time.

retired_duncan

That's a fair point. I can't recall whether I've seen this for FM06 but it happened all the time on CM0304. It certainly ****es me off.

retired_davek

I posted in the Bugs Forum about the time my 36-yo winger got man of the match for the third game in a row, but the Assistant Manager told me in a report after the game that he was $hit and he should be dropped and freed immediately.

Needless to say, I did sack him: the assistant manager, that is.

retired_mujerenforma

I am with JCB on this one.

I interpret "Player X has no future in professional football" as "I don't recommend player X".

That's the way I play LLM. If I started signing players like that (except in extreme circumstances)I wouldn't feel comfortable.

retired_sriracha

Everyting i say always is up to my opinion, i don't wanna tip on the way you guys play but..

Yeah.. I PLAY LLM. :thup:

Never doubt it!

What would you do if you where in my situation, in debt of a fortune (in Brazilian Reais so...) and in urgent need of someone cheap to fulfill the squad?

It's all about strategy...

I don't think so that the scout was the wrong one. He will not use any compreensive analysis on the signing, he will dumbly, and he is right, watch the player and say if he is good or no.

It's up to you decide what the club need at every little moment to be sucesfull. This is not agaist LLM Ethos, is it? Ok.

I needed a bad DC!

Scout says he is bad?

Want you see me listening his advice?

Hired!

THAT'S playing the game... :cool:

retired_jmathias

Personally, I would rather sign grey player.

retired_mrsjb

Everyting i say always is up to my opinion, i don't wanna tip on the way you guys play but..

Yeah.. I PLAY LLM. :thup:

Never doubt it!

What would you do if you where in my situation, in debt of a fortune (in Brazilian Reais so...) and in urgent need of someone cheap to fulfill the squad?

It's all about strategy...

I don't think so that the scout was the wrong one. He will not use any compreensive analysis on the signing, he will dumbly, and he is right, watch the player and say if he is good or no.

It's up to you decide what the club need at every little moment to be sucesfull. This is not agaist LLM Ethos, is it? Ok.

I needed a bad DC!

Scout says he is bad?

Want you see me listening his advice?

Hired!

THAT'S playing the game... :cool: </BLOCKQUOTE>


THAT'S not LLM. Take it elsewhere.

In your situation I sign a player my scout recommended to me or a grey player. I don't pick a random bad player, send a scout out and think it's OK to sign him because I scouted him, regardless of what the scout says.

retired_sriracha

Hey jbc23, you are taking too hard here...

I don't do anything that gives-me advantage over the AI!

I'm not Cheating!
I'm not FMScouting!
I'm not Editing!

My scout NEVER would recommend my grey players... if i sign them, i will be doing the same thing i have done!

He was NOT a random player... he was bought to me by by the press!

Anyway, you don't own the LLM because you post till Semi Pro... this must be decided by the group not by you..

I propouse a deeper discussion on that... involving everybody... so we put this on the LLM Rules and this is over..

Just don't say i don't play LLM, it's not fair!

retired_mrsjb

Oh shut the fuck up.

It's OK for you to say categorically that you play LLM, but not OK for me to dispute that based on your own comments?

Clearly you don't get it. Read up about grey players and the discussions we've had and you'll realise that you're talking out your arse about the ethics of signing greys.

I certainly don't own LLM. I respect it, however, and that means I have a responsibility not to let plurks like you run rough-shod over it though.

You propose a deeper discussion? Perhaps if you stopped posting bullsh*t and stopped whining that I've called you on something we might be able to. Ball's in your court, pal.

retired_B_RAN

The problem is this: the scouting and even the assistant manager reports in the game are still in need of significant improvement. I recall a particular case in my saved game that just ended due to a corrupted save file. I had asked my scout to evaluate a player. I think I saw him on the player stats board for my league. If it wasn't that, then it was in a media item.

I sent my scout to have a look, and he came back with an absolutely absurd statement that this player wasn't good enough. This despite him having better attributes than many of my current players and despite the fact that he played AMR and had very similar stats to a loan player who had been a star for us during the previous season.

Now, there was not a single loan player in the country that would sign with us (as the original loan products were already on the squad when the saved game began). And there were no other viable options at his position that would sign for the club. Also, not ONE grey player from my own under 18 squad would accept ANY contract terms offered, even at key player and a massive wage.

So, I looked at this AMR's abilities and his past performance with his current club, and I decided that it was obvious that he should be signed. By the time my scout came back and said he wasn't worth it, his original club had let his contract expire and let him leave the club.

I signed him and he instantly because the player I expected him to be. He fit perfectly into the tactical scheme and was playing just like the loan player that we had during the previous season.

But even my assistant manager rated him as the worst player in our first eleven when asked to provide a team report. And obviously his previous club was unable to see his value, because it let him leave for nothing. It didn't matter to me, as he kept creating goals and doing his job beautifully. But it led me to conclude that the scout and assistant manager evaluations do not place enough emphasis on current ability and performance. They must be made largely on potential ability or some other factor in some cases. Clearly everything about this player was perfect for my club and tactics, and he was turning in performances of 8 and 9 rating in almost every match. But his past club, my scout, and my assistant manager thought he was crap. Meanwhile, I've seen scouts recommend players that are utterly worthless for my club, even in an emergency, and it's been further evidence that they must be looking at potential.

So while I understand the concerns about ignoring scouts being against LLM, I think it's warranted in cases where the scouts clearly have it all wrong about a player and must be evaluating him based on some invisible nonsense that does not equate to performance RIGHT NOW on the pitch. I think that potential ability is playing far too large a role in scouting, especially when most contracts are only for a couple of seasons.

That being said, I think you should ONLY choose to disregard a scout's evaluations and sign a player in a circumstance like the one above. It has to be completely obvious that the evaluation is WAY off the mark and is being made solely on potential and not on current ability. And I've only seen a bad evaluation of a good player a couple of times while playing, so it should be a fairly rare occurence.