Richrix

If you ask me its too reliant on team talks but maybe thats just my perspective.

retired_vmacalik

Totally agree, I can play pretty much play any formation/tactic I want and get a result nine times out of ten but when I get the message "You are sure fire favorites to overwhelm miserble - insert crap team here - who are on a 9 game losing streak" then I know that they will be knocking the ball about like Brazil on a good day simply because their manager has told them "no-pressure"

retired_dego72

Totally agree, I can play pretty much play any formation/tactic I want and get a result nine times out of ten but when I get the message "You are sure fire favorites to overwhelm miserble - insert crap team here - who are on a 9 game losing streak" then I know that they will be knocking the ball about like Brazil on a good day simply because their manager has told them "no-pressure" </BLOCKQUOTE>

lol- thats what "relax and the result will come is for".

retired_bartho

I disagree. I've had success with only slightly tweaked versions of the default tactics.

circlewalker

hence why in my game i watched derby annihilate wenger's arsenal? </BLOCKQUOTE>

That the best you can do?

Want me to post a list of bigger teams with better managers losing to small time teams?

retired_mgavlick

But I don't have to. It can't be that impossible or it wouldn't be possible to deconstruct it. There are many people probaly much better than I am at FM who will have never read any tactical theory nor written a word about it.

By the way, Rashidi has written the only exemplary theory post for '08 thus far. I won't be contributing until the offical patch is out.

retired_kellyk

The problem is though is that tactics are getting too complex, you only have to look at the T&TF and see people pulling out there hair trying to understand all the different sliders and their inter-relationships, agnosing over the smallest changes.

Tactics and all the settings are not very intuitive and trying to troubleshoot when things go wrong, unless you're willing to spend hours analysing full games, is difficult. </BLOCKQUOTE>
I would say that's a legacy of FM2007 where tactics had to be set on a razors edge to do well.

For FM 2008, that couldn't be further from the truth. Making a good tactic now is so easy and quick, I'm amazed at how complicated people actually make the game out to be. For example, I had someone ask me whether he should set passing at 4 or 5 and asked me if there was a significant difference? I told they were both short. The differences weren't significant enough to warrant some deeper analyses into issues that aren't there.

People complain that closing down is difficult to achieve..erm ok..the slider says close down own area..that means near the penalty box..close down own half..means well in own half..Its easy. Just decide where you want your players to do what and off you go.

It takes perhaps 5 mins to set up a tactic, 10 if you are intent on getting every set-piece perfect. Then once its done you're off.

The problem is not that tactics are difficult to make, but that elusive 'supertactic' that solves all problems and allows one to focus on player purchases is very hard to achieve. It isn't impossible to get a good tactic working right. If you want one that wins 100% of the time then I'm sorry.

This wasn't directed at you personally, but its a general statement I make to everyone around who think that the tactic is the key to the game. It isn't. It is still about getting the right player to do the job well, provided you have told him what the job is. Many people here don't understand that the instructions just need to be simple ones.

Tactics aren't complex, people are. Humans have a natural tendency to overcomplicate the simplest issue.

retired_julienew1212

Have you seen the tactics people use here when they post screenshots? Most of the time its just a bunch of star players with a bunch of random arrows. A normal team would get absolutely slaughtered if they played with that. Then they're like "I'm awesome I haven't lost in months w/ Manchester United/Chelsea/Real Madrid/Barcelona." Congrats I can tie my own shoes too.

So yeah tactics can definitely take an average team to the next level. But for people who just get a bunch of stars, they can win despite their tactics.

retired_kellyk

Actually those arrows are very significant, a lot of people put little thought into what they actually do..to put it simply a forwards arrow tells the player where to be when you have the ball and a backwards arrow tells him where to go when you lose the ball..

It plays such a huge role in positioning players and making tactics work well, and i find it amazing that some people place arrows in the strangest of places and then moan about how bad they are doing defensively.

saku11

you really have to take into account the players you have when building a tactic. i like to play a 4-1-2-2-1 but it takes certain types of players to make it work. simply downloading a tactic is not going to work unless your squad has the right skill and makeup. i agree with the earlier poster that winning with players the caliber of man u or chelsea's requires less tactical effort because they are so good that they can play almost anyway.
i do feel like morale is a little too important. if your morale tanks it is next to impossible to recover sometimes.