retired_wenmarri

what id like to see is the occasional goalkeeper error. you only ever see the keeper gettin caught in possession or taking a crap kick and the other team scoring.

there is no occurrences of Dudek errors in the game - the ball going through his arms into the net etc. id like to see that included. i know it doesnt happen often in real life. but it NEVER happens in the game.

retired_janellewood86

It does, but only very occasionally is it mentioned by the commentary.

You can tell your keeper is having an absolute 'mare when the ball seems to go straight through him. You soon know which sorts of shots he should save and which ones he shouldn't. When one of the ones he should save goes in, it's probably down to his error or his playing very badly.

retired_bassclar84

i do see what your saying no defender makes mistakes that often in real life (not even titus bramble) but the fact remains that football manager is still the best football management simulator out there....

retired_hman

OMG, almost missed this! We're complaining about realism and you want to go back to Civ4 to get it????

Well, one more poster not to take seriously.

I love Civ4, but FM2007 is worlds closer to reality than Civ4...

retired_janellewood86

In fairness, though, Civ4 is not really trying to be an accurate portrayal of world history, whereas FM sort of has that in mind.

retired_hman

Nonsense. They're both a simulation of alternate historical possibilities. Every iteration of the Civ series has had foibles and strangeness, the point being to build a massive empire, and with the idea that the world will react realistically to your input.

FM2007 is no more a portrayal of the real world. It's a fantasy played out. "If I were in charge, blah-blah-blah..."

People just expect too much from the game. They want it to be realllllly realistic, but they don't want to have to work at it, they want it to be absolutely "bug-free" (retracted, but weakly,) and yet they want to be able to take Weymouth to the Premiership and the treble in 5 years.

It's a game, and a damn good one. People who want to focus on the parts of it that haven't worked as well, with which the patch has helped, are majoring in the minors and letting it destroy a very good gaming experience.

It's one thing to say "I don't think this works, and we ought to fix it in the patch, or for FM2008." I've done the same, possibly in this very thread.

It's quite another to go about saying "This game is total S*** and everyone who thinks it's good is an idiot and I'm NEVER going to get another version of it and it's my potty and I'll cry if I want to!!"

Some of that is what you're seeing in this here thread, and it's waaaay over-the-top, IMNSHO.

retired_janellewood86

Nonsense. They're both a simulation of alternate historical possibilities. Every iteration of the Civ series has had foibles and strangeness, the point being to build a massive empire, and with the idea that the world will react realistically to your input.

FM2007 is no more a portrayal of the real world. It's a fantasy played out. "If I were in charge, blah-blah-blah..."

People just expect too much from the game. They want it to be realllllly realistic, but they don't want to have to work at it, they want it to be absolutely "bug-free" (retracted, but weakly,) and yet they want to be able to take Weymouth to the Premiership and the treble in 5 years.

It's a game, and a damn good one. People who want to focus on the parts of it that haven't worked as well, with which the patch has helped, are majoring in the minors and letting it destroy a very good gaming experience.

It's one thing to say "I don't think this works, and we ought to fix it in the patch, or for FM2008." I've done the same, possibly in this very thread.

It's quite another to go about saying "This game is total S*** and everyone who thinks it's good is an idiot and I'm NEVER going to get another version of it and it's my potty and I'll cry if I want to!!"

Some of that is what you're seeing in this here thread, and it's waaaay over-the-top, IMNSHO. </BLOCKQUOTE>No, I'm not saying that FM is a portrayal of real life, what I'm saying is that it's based far more in the real world than Civ is based in 4000BC or whatever. Therfore when FM makes glaring omissions which spoil the fun of the game, people start complaining. Unjustly in a number of cases, but it's still the same. Manchester United finishing bottom of the Premier League is more unacceptable than the Zulu conquering the world.

Both are games, and both are fantasies, but FM tries as far as possible to bring in things that real managers can do. No world leader ever lives for 6000 years or dictates which way science and culture will go over such grand time scales.

Yes, FM is a fantasy loosely based around the premise of "what if I were a coach", but it's more accountable to the real world than Civ is. That's my only observation really - Civ can get away with far more BS than FM. It's a relative comparrison.

I'm in total agreement with you - people want their cake and to eat it. Realism: but not changing tactics. At the end of the day, people need to work out what elements of real life they want, and which ones they don't. I'm guessing most don't know.

retired_blara

I use one tactic, never tweak it. I win a lot of games and a lot of silverware with my beloved Blackpool.

I've been playing CM/CM for many years and this is the best version yet.

retired_estocoffee

It's not it is a frustrating game you can have all the best players, tactics and you will still lose no matter how many more chances you have etc. Basically the game is *****! Who can be arsed being a super tactician I want to sign good players and leave the tinkering to the professionals.

retired_hman

Then go buy FIFA07. You don't even need to think.

It's amazing to me, really. I've played about four careers over the past seven months or so. My current one is with Darlington FC. Eight games into my third season and I'm holding down first place, though my goal for season three is securing a playoff spot. I don't sit and tinker for hours. I've certainly complained about certain aspects of the game, and struggled to figure out tactics for awhile. Finally I just downloaded a set that worked pretty well, but with some tweaking has made my team very good, not to mention a few key signings. It's not *that* much work.