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i have the same problem.got bristol city promoted to the championship in season 1,then finished 3rd twice and then 2nd.then went to a 3rd division team in italy and got promoted in the first season.went back to england to manage altrincham in conf north,got to play off final in first season and the only offer i have had is from taff wells and i still have a obscure rep.
My club side in Sweden, Sleipner, is now National rep, playing in the first div elite (2nd tier). My rep is obscure after taking Sleipner through 2 promotions in 7 seasons and a fourth place finish in the first div elite last season at our first attempt. I am also managing the Sweden u21s (only for about 6 months and 6 or so matches) so I would expect my rep to start improving soon.
I play in clan which we all started in scottish 3rd division. I inherited montrose who i took to the 2nd div in 2nd season and to the 1st the season after it i then finished 2nd in 1st division and only then did my manager rating go up to local.
what u guys have to remember is. When your playing lower league its a less noticeable place to manage so u have to work wonders. Take charge of a premiership team and i garentee u that u have your reputation to local before january.
Originally posted by Gillmacs:
But can I name their manager? No.
You may not be able to name the manager at Carlisle, but if he takes the club to two straight promotions, I guarantee that many people in the English football world know full well who he is. A number of chairmen are probably already looking at him as a potential manager in the near future. It may not be Chelsea or Arsenal, but it would be clubs in League One and possibly the Championship as well.
With players, scouts, coaches, chairmen, and all the people involved in football, word travels. People find out about a successful manager rather quickly, and it really doesn't matter if a fan doesn't know who he is. Fans are not working full-time for clubs and devoting their whole lives to the game.
So, taking the Carlisle example, there is no way that the manager does not have at least a local or regional reputation in football circles, and that is all that matters. Players don't sign with clubs based on who the fans know. And players generally know far more about who is a good manager and who is managing at certain clubs than the fans do. The same goes for chairmen, scouts, and all the rest.
Now, if you want to insist that fans wouldn't know who this person is, and if he was suddenly hired by Sheffield Wednesday, they'd be puzzled, then fine. Split reputation into two aspects - in the football world and among fans. The football reputation is vastly more important, and I believe that SI has this in mind with its current system. But that system needs major improvement, because it's completely unrealistic to suggest that a manager with two promotions on his resume is going to be completely unknown among football professionals in his own country.
good case in point is manager steve cotterill.he took cheltenham from the southern league to div one and was class as a local hero,beacause of this he was offered the job at sunderland and yet nobody who didnt come from the south west had heard of him. in fm06 if you took cheltenham through the leagues i bet you still coudent get a job offer like that.
Okay, lets look at the some clubs that have changed their manager in league 1 and the Championship in the last season:
Rotherham - Alan Knill, promoted from Youth Team coach
Nottm Forest - Frank Barlow (assistant at several clubs), Ian McParland (who?)
Bristol City - Gary Johnson, won two promotions in 3 seasons with Yeovil
Yeovil - Steve Thompson, promoted from assistant
Wallsall - Kevan Broadhurst, hardly been a successful manager in the past.
Watford - Adrian Boothroyd, from 1st team coach, Leeds
Plymouth - Tony Pullis - kind of done the rounds, but success?
QPR - Garry Waddock - caretaker, but likely to get job, from coach
Leicester - Rob Kelly, from assistant reserve team manager Blackburn
Southampton - George Burley, hardly plucked from an LLM team
Millwall - David Tuttle, from Assistant Manager.
Now, this may not be representative, I may have missed a few clubs off, but hardly shows successful LL managers getting a chance.
We were talking about Carlisle's manager, who is about to win his second promotion with the club. No one is arguing that League One clubs generally hire a bunch of lower league managers. But they damn well hire someone like Gary Johnson and will probably hire the manager from Carlisle. Why? Because they've actually won promotions, and that has built up their reputations. Most lower league managers never achieve anything, so OF COURSE they're reputations will remain obscure and they will not get job offers.
But again, this is not about job offers. It is about reputation increasing. The point is that my reputation should increase to local or regional if I keep defying all expectations and taking a club to the top of the table.
If I've totally shocked other clubs in my division, and the media repeatedly reports about our huge upsets and our outstanding play, then surely my reputation is going to go up in my local area and perhaps in the region where my club plays.
Otherwise, what in the hell is the point of media items? Or is publicity actually not public?
Is it really that difficult for people to understand this?
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