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Old 08-31-2005, 12:07 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #41
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Thought I'd continue my experiment as a side attraction in my Worcester save, so here's the next two seasons as a comparison to the first.

The only difference is that I've moved to Conference South from the North, though this is negliable really.


2005/6

F.A. Cup

Second Qualifying Round
Worcester City 1 Lancaster City 1
Crowd: 1644
Gate: £8243

Replay
Lancaster City 0 Worcester City 4
Crowd: 1070
Gate: £5382
Prize Money: £4000

Third Qualifying Round
Forest Green Rovers 0 Worcester City 2
Crowd: 2463
Gate: £12,492
Prize Money: £5000

Fourth Qualifying Round
Weston-super-Mare 2 Worcester City 1
Crowd: 962
Gate: £5317
(Weston-super-Mare in the Conference)

Money made was £40,434. Wages at £2877 a week at the start of the campaign meant that covering the wage bill for 14.05 weeks.


F.A. Trophy

First Round
Worcester City 3 Cheshunt 1
Crowd: 630
Gate: £1552
Prize Money: £2000

Second Round
Worcester City 0 Havant & Waterlooville 1
Crowd: 633
Gate: £1606

Income of £5158 which paid a paltry 1.79 weeks wages.


League form no significant effect as only six cup matches were played all season.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:20 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #42
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2006/7

F.A. Cup

Second Qualifying Round
Worcester City 2 Farsley Celtic 2
Crowd: 805
Gate: £3987

Replay
Farsley Celtic 0 Worcester City 3
Crowd: 2067
Gate: £9439
Prize Money: £4000

Third Qualifying Round
Newport County 0 Worcester City 0
Crowd: 2121
Gate: £10,762

Replay
Worcester City 2 Newport County 0
Crowd: 1742
Gate: £8774
Prize Money: £5000

Fourth Qualifying Round
Worcester City 0 Cheshunt 0
Crowd: 939
Gate: £4761

Replay
Cheshunt 3 Worcester City 1
Crowd: 2307
Gate: £10,451

Income of £57,264. Wage bill of £2618. Weeks covered 21.87


F.A. Trophy

First Round
Moor Green 2 Worcester City 2
Crowd: 509
Gate: £1233

Replay
Worcester City 4 Moor Green 2
Crowd: 613
Gate: £1560
Prize Money: £2000

Second Round
Worcester City 0 Havant & Waterlooville 0
Crowd: 619
Gate: £1538

Replay
Havant & Waterlooville 1 Worcester City 3
Crowd: 273
Gate: £630
Prize Money: £3000

Third Round
Worcester City 0 Burscough 0
Crowd: 640
Gate: £1537

Replay
Burscough 2 Worcester City 3
Crowd: 176
Gate: £425
Prize Money: £4000
(Burscough in Conference)

Fourth Round
Aylesbury United 1 Worcester City 2
Crowd: 186
Gate: £406
Prize Money: £5000

Fifth Round
Worcester City 0 Workington Town 1
Crowd: 637
Gate: £1536

Income of £22,865 which pays the wages for 8.73 weeks.


Christ, replays everywhere, which played havoc with the league campaign and a big backlog of fixtures. So, Cups suck arse... but oddly, it gave some of my young players a run out who I wouldn't have played ordinarily, and they turned out to be a lot better than I thought they were. In the long run, my league form improved and instead of being in the bottom five, further into the season I'm now in mid table safety thanks to the youngsters who have earned themselves a first team place.

Incidentily, I've got 27 players at the club at the moment, around 14 I think are teenagers (three through the club's youth system).
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:22 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #43
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in an ideal world for the lower league teams is that they make it to the first round of the FA Cup and play a well supported team with a high attendance (in recent years Sheffield Wednesday, now its Forest) home and get a replay away to maximise teh money (don't forget that the BBC also gives 13k per highlights package for the first round - in the real world anyway)
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:00 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #44
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And how often does this ideal world visit your non league club?
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:24 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #45
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I'm all for them....As you mentioned, if your squad is deep enough you can play the reserve and younger players just to see their form. If you don't make it far then you haven't worked your regulars hard. If you do make it far enough then the money is well worth it.

What truly sucks is that as a Conference team I drew the D1 side in the Cup and was soundly trounced. But not that I've moved up to D1 myself and I draw the Conference side...I still get bloody trounced!

nice analysis Nobby. KUTGW :thup:
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:34 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #46
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Quote:
Originally posted by butlerjrt:
But now that I've moved up to D1 myself and I draw the Conference side...I still get bloody trounced!
Ahhh, so you see, cups suck ar$e
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Old 08-31-2005, 02:33 PM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #47
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Most cups suck arse, but one of the Icelandic ones are :cool:

The Iclandic Lower League Cup
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:25 AM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #48
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Continuing the 'research' into how financially beneficial cup runs can be as opposed to potentially crippling your squad.

Football Manager 2006

Workington (Conference North) 2005/6
Note - have a very small squad, 19 was the largest size all season.

F.A. Cup
Second Qualifying Round
Folkestone Invicta 0 Workington 0
Crowd: 566 Gate: £3678

replay
Workington 0 Folkestone Invicta 1
Crowd: 388 Gate: £2533


F.A. Trophy

Second Qualifying Round
St Albans City 1 Workington 7
Crowd: 279 Gate: £871 Prize: £1800

Third Qualifying Round
Histon 0 Workington 0
Crowd: 742 Gate: £2319

replay
Workington 2 Histon 0
Crowd: 178 Gate: £565 Prize: £3000

First Round
Workington 0 Weston-super-Mare 0
Crowd: 191 Gate: £586

replay
Weston-super-Mare 1 Workington 0
Crowd: 176 Gate: £510


Total money earned £15,862
Paid for wages of £1509 (at start of cups) for 10.51 weeks.
No damage done to squad, fortunately. Was lucky for 7 games.


2006/7 to come in due course...
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:46 PM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #49
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I was gonna write that cups are great, and some are, at least financially. Especially when you get the Mother of moneyshakers away, whether it be Man Utd or Celtic.

But then I got trounced twice this season. Last by bottom-of-the-league Peterhead 0-4, with two guys out in the first half. Half the squad below 80% for the next game. Cups Suck Arse! But there are exceptions, as you have clearly shown. It's well worth giving it a shot if you have the squad to back it up. With only the first-eleven half-decent it's no point really. The league will suffer too much.
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:50 PM   Cups Suck Arse... Or Not? Post #50
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I really like the FA cup both in the real world and the game, the financial benifits can be excellent, as i found by drawing Man Citeh away in the 4th round in my Carlisle save. Fine I had to re-arange a few games and my team were slightly tired after, but the following season i was able to have a transfer budget for the first time in the save.

I treat the rest of the cups with the contempt they deserve though.
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