retired_mbodybuilding

1. Does setting a new position change the impacts of normal training?
2. How long does it normally take?

Thanks for any help,

retired_hmknight

You can still train players in new positions and keep the old training schedule. If you have a DC who you also want to train as an ST you can keep him on a DC training schedule while teaching him the ST position.

Players who are younger learn faster than older players. Players who train on a full-time contract learn faster than part-time or amateur contracts. Players who actually get match time in a new position learn faster than players who only play their old positions. Other attributes like adapatability also can shorten the learning time required to learn a new position.

There may be other attributes that encourage a player to learn faster, but other forum users might be able to tell you what they are.

retired_jimngallagher

Isn't there a hidden potential for each position that dictates which positions they can learn? Like you're more likely to find a DC that can become a DL/DR than a DC that can become an AMC.

retired_hmknight

I've read the same thing, but I tend to put players where I think there profiled attributes seem to suggest. OR getting a younger player on the field anywhere I can because they deserve to be there and I don't want to wait for the existing player (who's also quality) to retire/quit/etc.

retired_drlandry00

I would like to know whether the player gets a "natural" instead of "accomplished" in his new position after training and playing in the new position over a few seasons?

vineela

afaik, the player cant become natural at a learnt position in this way.

leftfoot

A few notes from some tests I did on positional ratings. It wasn't extensive so I am not saying the following is definitive but it gives an idea of how it works:-

All players positional rating is between 1 and 20 according to FM Modifier. Unless it is listed in their positions the value assigned initially is 1. The ranges are as follows:-
Ineffectual1 to 5
Unconvincing6 to 10
Competent 11 to 15
Accomplished16 to 19
Natural20

Younger players can pick up new positions just from playing in them without being specifically assigned a new position schedule (this I'm not 100% on so don't quote me on it), but when you combine the two the process is quicker.

In some cases tutoring from a player who is a natural in the position can make the process quicker (although I admit this might just be a coincidence).

In the 1 to 20 rating the highest I got a player was 19, up from 12 over a season involving playing consistently in the new position. He started moaning about learning a new position so I took him off his new position training. His rating in the position quickly decreased from 19 to 14 despite playing in that position on a regular basis after the new position training had been cancelled.

The 'Unhappy at training for a new position' line that appears in the training overview can indicate the value representing their positional rating has slowed but not stopped. It was this unhappy player who's positional rating dropped in the example above so that might have had some impact on it, as well as his age (25) and low versatility.

Versatility is a hidden attribute that has two effects with respect to position based training:-
1.increases how well a player adapts to a new position.
2.affects whether or not they retain the positional rating gained when they stop training/playing that position.

Adaptability has nothing to do with new positions and only pertains to how well a player can settle in a foreign culture.

Younger players are more willing to train a new position.

To test suitability and it's effect I set a young natural full back to train as a striker. His positional rating increased at roughly the same rate as an AM R training to be a central midfielder independent of the number of games they played in the new position.

retired_redhotxpress

This did not seem to work in 07, but in the season and a half I played with 08 I noticed players learning a position a bit just by playing it a couple of times. I did not have a chance to further observe this due to a player registration bug which left me without players in the season, but I was quite chuffed to notice this new improvement. Sounds realistic to me too that a player becomes more familiar with a position by playing it rather then retraining for this precise position.

retired_pamjoseph

I have trained some players out of their positions in fm2008 and most have achieved Accomplished without many problems. They have a natural similar position (let's say they are MR and I trained them to MC), have played in a middle position (MC with a sarrow to MR) and have another natural or Accomplished position. Having several positions often means that the player is good winning new positions. Estimated time: 6 months to first level of accomplished.

I also have a MCR, DMC that has trained to be CD. He always plays MC with a sarrow to MR or MC with a farrow. About 9 months to first level of Accomplished. But I also have a MR-AMR training to MC and he has not gained a level in 5 months, also playing as MC with a sarrow to MR.

vineela

actually i want to know the answer to this too..