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Old 06-16-2007, 01:41 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #1
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I picked a team: Betis. A team with decent players but tipped to finish 13th in Spanish League. My tactic is simple: 4-4-2 short passing, normal tempo, mid to high closing down, normal defensive line, normal width. I make tweaks to this from match to match and in-game tweaks, such as changing forward runs, width, tempo, counter attack and focus passing.
I`m doing very well, playing 31 games with a record of 16-8-7, 5th place and near to get into champions league. Not bad for the early odds. But here“s my problem: I lost 7 matches. 6 of those matches I clearly dominated and the final message was: "Betis should have won this easily", or Betis caanot belive this, yadda yadda. I`ve attached images as proof. My point is: I can understand sometimes you loose matches that you should won, that is football.
On the other hand, no one of my 16 victories or 8 draws were in a situation where I deserved to loose. Those were well deserved victories (Winning in possession and shots on target as well as % of passes completed).
So I think somehow FM cheats you. I don`t know why or how, but it cannot be possible that I lost 8 matches that I deserved to win, and I haven`t won a single match that I not dominated.

Finally: Is there a way to revert this, or I should throw this game by the window?

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Old 06-16-2007, 03:03 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #2
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I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that FM cheats, yet.
I mean in real life you might draw games you should have won, but then
you might also have games in which you are lucky to draw or win.

You can't just pick games where you dominated but failed to capitalize,
and say the game is flawed.
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Old 06-16-2007, 03:16 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #3
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Let me see if I am clear enough:

my total 7 loses = 7 matches that I deserve to win.

my total "undeserved" victories = 0.

Is this example understandable?
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Old 06-16-2007, 04:57 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #4
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It looks to me that your team just isn't clinical enough. There seems to be a lot of shots off target. The opposition are putting there chances away whereas your not.

Have you tried upping the shooting level on your Forward players in training?

Possession is good, just lacks that killer instinct for me.
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:38 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #5
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I can see you have alot of shots off target.

1) Are you giving your players to try long shots?
For me, I put the long shots on rarely. Cause a player with good decision will know when he can or should try a long shot.

2) Are you giving your players alot of CF?
For me, only the playmaker will have much(1st notch) CF. From what I tried and seen, giving alot CF will see players trying alot of long shots.
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:04 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #6
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Theorise all you want boys, but there is nothing that you can do about this phenomenen. It happens all too often and is my biggest complaint about the game. The AI is simply TOO clinical.

Luketa: I could post about 50 images with the same kind of statistics. I think that the AI gives itself a performance/percentage boost in some games that it knows that you are going to dominate. This is probably an attempt to eliminate 'super tactics'. The only thing that you can do is grin and bear it. It's tough I know. Last night, a team came back and tied with me in the 92nd minute with only 9 men. I was at home and cruising. I assume that this happened because the AI gave itself a boost so it didn't get so dominated. A lot of people will try and tell you that you are doing something wrong, but there's not much you can do about it. I've thought about throwing the game out of the window too. Don't do it mate. It's still a quality game, but some things you just have to accept, are out of your control. It does leave you feeling cheated though and it's not a nice feeling.
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I'm still not convinced the AI gets unfair boost, but I'd be rushed to throw the game out of window should the game be proven to cheat.
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Old 06-16-2007, 08:52 AM   Can`t turn domination into wins? (Images as proof) Post #8
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Originally posted by arteta is god:
Theorise all you want boys, but there is nothing that you can do about this phenomenen. It happens all too often and is my biggest complaint about the game. The AI is simply TOO clinical.

Luketa: I could post about 50 images with the same kind of statistics. I think that the AI gives itself a performance/percentage boost in some games that it knows that you are going to dominate. This is probably an attempt to eliminate 'super tactics'. The only thing that you can do is grin and bear it. It's tough I know. Last night, a team came back and tied with me in the 92nd minute with only 9 men. I was at home and cruising. I assume that this happened because the AI gave itself a boost so it didn't get so dominated. A lot of people will try and tell you that you are doing something wrong, but there's not much you can do about it. I've thought about throwing the game out of the window too. Don't do it mate. It's still a quality game, but some things you just have to accept, are out of your control. It does leave you feeling cheated though and it's not a nice feeling.
As you know Arteta, i'm with you completely on this one!.

I recently started a thread elsewhere, showing exactly whats happening to Luketa in my own game with West Ham. It also shows that not one game so far have the results been reversed either, which proves that these kinds of game dont even themselves up over a season like many suggest.

I could even take it one step further and take screenshots of both my own and the oppositions every shooting effort during each game and it will clearly show that whilst i'm creating good clear and clean chances and missing constantly, the AI is scoring from the most amazing and bizarre situations.

My last game was a 2-4 defeat at home to Newcastle, who's first goal came from an error from my DC, the second and third 25-30 yarders from Scott Parker(oooooh the irony) and the last an unhurried, unpressured full back clearance that went two yards and straight to the suprised Newcastle forward who gladly took advantage.

Its just after Xmas in my game and i have just lost 4 in a row in the most unbelievable circumstances, which include the 2-4 home defeat against Newcastle and a 1-4 home defeat against Reading.

I am using wwfans tactic set, which works a treat but even that can do nothing about the AI perverse way of often grabbing 3 points from a game in which it deserved 0.

This is why the game is no longer fun and why i have only ever managed three continuous seasons on 07 once, i usually just give up the ghost around now in which i find in the middle of January, i've already lost 10 games, 7 of which i could quite easily have won or at least scraped a draw.

I continue on with the feint hope that some amazing new breakthough will be unearthed that can even things up a bit, but i think we all know its a little late in the day for that dont we?.
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This isnt football it a game

You need to find ways to defeat the AI. If you are playing the same formation each time the same way you will lose. In real life perhaps you wouldnt, but in this game you need to adapt. Try wwfans apprach to the game where you have to adjust your team to each game. I have found this out the hard way, sure, I still lose and draw when I feel I should have won, but at least now I win the majority of games and its enjoyable again.

If you dont want to change your tactical approach, I suggest you play an easier game life FIFA 07 where you can play the same tactic over and over and still win because it sounds like this is what you want to do.
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Originally posted by MrMagic:
This isnt football it a game

You need to find ways to defeat the AI. If you are playing the same formation each time the same way you will lose. In real life perhaps you wouldnt, but in this game you need to adapt. Try wwfans apprach to the game where you have to adjust your team to each game. I have found this out the hard way, sure, I still lose and draw when I feel I should have won, but at least now I win the majority of games and its enjoyable again.

If you dont want to change your tactical approach, I suggest you play an easier game life FIFA 07 where you can play the same tactic over and over and still win because it sounds like this is what you want to do.
If you take a look at the above post you will find that "I" DO use wwfans tactic set and adapt accordingly.

So whats your next suggestion?.
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