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luketa, why not try a slow tempo

retired_sandykats

Thank you SI for this wonderful game ; I know(even from personal experience) that even when a world class team dominates a game and creates many many chances doesnt necessarily win and that the game is closer to reality but then what's the point of spending hours to create and set up tactics and more to see a WORLD CLASS team not being capable of converting so many chances, I'm sick of this ... instead of making people happy you make'em totally frustrated

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retired_spoon30

Let`s look this from a different point of view: Have someone succeded in this game with a very defensive tactic, which taken you to win most of matches that you have not dominated? Because, if there is a proof (and I think there`s not) of this, then we can conclude that there is not suh "compensation" logic.

retired_fitnessconnection

Luketa - The only time i've seen visual proof of this happening it's been one of those giant killing type scenario's.

retired_axelbb

Hi Guys, Im new to this thread, but i would like to post my two cents.
I too have the same problem, i started a new game a month ago as Chelsea and im now in year 7 of my campaign, now i have won the Champions Leauge 5 times in a row which is great and i have won the Premiership 5 out of seven attempts. So whats my problem i hear you say, well i rotate my tactics each season and i work from a set of 4 all designed for a team like chelsea apart from one which i one i took from these forums to work from origionaly.
But in the last two seasons the computer has decided i can no longer play 442 WITH ANY TACTIC.
I have persisted with mine and reloaded after 5 weeks if they failed and all of mine have. So i thought ok the AI has cracked them, so i came on here looked at tactics which were similar and worked with big teams, took them and tested them and again faliure. I still win in europe sometimes by 6 - 8 goals a game but the english leauge is impossible i loose 1-0 or draw 0-0 constantly. Now i downloaded a scouting tool recently because i thought the players i have simply may not be up to standard, well i can tell you my 1st 11 are all POT over 190 and CURRENT over 183 all have high pace good acceleration and of course good stats for their positions (most 20). I checked out the opposition and even arsenal and man could not boast this ability. I then thought "ah ha foreigners not understanding" so i check and they all speak english have good adaptability and professional personalities. So im at a loss, i dont profess to be a genious at the game but in a managerial sense i have all the boxes for success checked, and i know if i switched to a diffrent formation i would start winning (i have tested a 3 5 2) but i have nurtured alot of these players from the youth squad and had plans for how they would fit in. I loathe to chamge this because of this stupid codeing.

retired_FaultyFate

Hi Luketa,

No offense please. Obviously I have not seen your games, but based on the screens I would conclude one thing: your tactic does not work very well against counter-attacking or defensive teams. You has posession, but the counter-attacking or defensive opposition is not looking for it! Instead they concentrate on defense and trying to find a hole in your defense. You play short passing with normal tempo = your players have to make decisions faster. Are they good enough to do it? I mean, Man Utd plays similar style (with quicker tempo) and it is nice to look at, but is your squad as good as MU's? You play high closing down = your players are often out of position, which create chances for AI teams. They do not need many chances! Their players are asked to create only a few but good ones.

I play West Ham and against stronger teams I always use counter-attacking system with short-passing slow tempo. I do not care about posession at all! In fact I want AI to have the ball, but in the middle of the field. Once AI has more players involved into attack, I have a good chance to score. The messages often say "AI team should have won this" etc. So I am pretty sure if AI uses something similar against you, it gets what it wants. I have not lost a single game against definitely stronger side for 1.5 seasons (though I never dominate them), and rarely have problems with weaker teams as I simply push def line and mentality a little up. I lose sometimes to equal quality teams, but that I do not mind as this is football.

retired_FaultyFate

Btw, I am not home now, but I will take a look if I can post some screens. Never did it before though, since I believe people write here to help others or to ask for help, not to show how good they are. So imo there is no point to write something that is not true.

retired_hope

This is spot on :thup:

retired_spoon30

I appreciate your contribution. The thing I cannot understand at all in this game is that my problem isn`t specically with weaker teams, I face teams that don`t play a counter attacking style (Valencia, Real Madrid, etc.) and I still manage to dominate them, and then I finally loose. In one part of this thread I asked for someone having success with a defensive tactic, a tactic that aims to score with very few chances, and capable of keep clean sheets, even when the opposition has more possession and shots on target.

retired_FaultyFate

Luketa,

Think about it this way (maybe rather real life example, but I believe AI works similarly). Madrid, Valencia, etc. have pretty good managers. They have figured out one way to beat your team and smaller teams prove it works. So instead of playing their usual tactics against you, they change it to what surely works. They have high quality squads, so counter-attacking tactic should work for them fine (in fact irl Valencia is much better playing counter than when they forced to control by opposition). And they would not bother to change it as long as you do not find a way to counter it. Btw, I bet that when you score first, and AI cannot respond right away, it start changing tactic, but this is another story.

Ok, now about defensive (or rather counter attacking) tactic, that helps me a lot. I play 442 wide diamond, with short farrow on wingers. All my defenders on man marking (not tight though), DCs forward runs rarely, everybody else mixed. Wingers cross ball often, run with ball mixed, FBs cross ball mixed, run with ball rarely. AMC has a free role, everything else mixed. DM tries through ball often. Wasting time is on first notch of normal (next one to the left is rarely), width normal (one notch to the left from normal), defensive line is on the first notch of normal (next one to the left is deep). Counter attack box is ticked. What else? Oh, mentality. STs on attacking mentality (one on the second notch of attacking, the other one on the third notch of attacking), AMC on the first notch of attacking, wingers on last notch of normal (next to the right is attacking), DM is on normal (exactly in the middle), FBs and DCs on global. The global mentality is either last notch of defensive (next one to the right is normal), or one notch up. Creative freedom - global normal (middle) for everyone except DCs (2 notches towards little) and AMC (first notch of much). I have strong TM (Eddie Johnson and Okaka) in TM box, but "Use TM" box is not ticked, and they are given mixed supply and Hold Up ball instruction (obviously I do not use them both at once, but rotate). Short-to-mixed passing (last notch of mixed, next to the left is short) and exactly the same position for tempo. Focus passing down both flanks.

As I said before it works very good for me. If I want to go more attacking, I simply move both defensive line and mentality up by two notches. Notice though, that I have played with this tactic for almost two seasons, so my squad got it. In the first season with my West Ham team I finished 4th, won Euro Cup. Now after about 30 games I am 1st in the league (lost 3 games - to Aston Villa, Charlton, and do not remember who else, about 8 draws), and also made it to semifinal in CL (beat Barcelona 1-0 away 0-0 home in quaters) and won league Cup (lost in FA Cup though and very happy I did - too many games). I am not saying it is super (unbeatable, magnificent, you name it) tactic and it always wins. More over I am pretty sure it may not work for other teams with different squad. But it works fine FOR ME so far and given I brought in a lot of good youngsters (average squad age is 22), I am going to gradually move to qicker attacking style. Will see how it turns out.