LLM and International Management Realism

retired_jsammut · 06-26-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by Greg Andrade:
Based on the qualifications of real life managers for the weaker African countries, it seems like a LLM manager would have a real chance at getting a job with one of these smaller countries. In fact, a couple of the real life managers seem to be former European coaches and not even experienced managers.

So what do others have to say?

How many games were you expecting to manage with Gambia in a season? How many of these games came within 24/48 hours of a game with your league team?

At the moment I refuse to take on any international jobs I've been offered (and I'm being offered a couple every season for the last few seasons). This is partly because, although there are occasions when a club manager runs an international team at the same time (permed Geordie poof springs to mind, obviously) these are the exceptions, not the rule. As such I see taking a dual role as being a tad unrealistic, especially with the distances you are sometimes expected to travel (and the short time between club and international games). I also see taking on the job of managing a country as the pinnacle of a manager's career so, assuming I get to a point in my save where I think I've done most things at club level, I'd consider a serious international job (if I feel I warrant it) and would probably resign as manager of my club. I'd probably retire after that.

Getting to that stage is another matter, though...

retired_yolanda · 06-26-2006, 10:52 PM

What about Hiddink? He's (was) manager of PSV and of Upsidedownland at the same time...

retired_jsammut · 06-26-2006, 10:59 PM

I did say there were exceptions. Hiddink, Keegan and Billy Bingham (managed Plymouth Argyle and Northern Ireland at the same time, so that's probably about as close to a true LLM manager managing an international team as I can recall) spring to mind, but not many more.

retired_duncan · 06-27-2006, 02:40 AM

Hiddink's had to resign from PSV though to take the Russian job full time.

retired_B_RAN · 06-27-2006, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by iamthequinn:

How many games were you expecting to manage with Gambia in a season? How many of these games came within 24/48 hours of a game with your league team?

This is a very good point, and it's one that I was just forced to consider when a match for Gambia was originally scheduled on the same day as a match day. There was no way to go on holiday from my club only (holiday would also keep me from international management), and I couldn't have the assistant manager handle the game. So I thought about resigning my club post for the sake of realism.

Fortunately, in the days leading up to the Gambia match, the Belgian FA rescheduled my club fixture due to international call-ups (nearly the entire world was playing World Cup qualifiers on the same day). So that spared me and gave me a number of days between club and country.

But now the second leg of my African World Cup qualifier is scheduled on the same day as the rescheduled club match. And unless the FA makes another change, I'm faced with a real dilemma. To be be totally realistic, I'll have to resign from one of my posts. Or I could just blame it on SI not having a feature that allows me to go on holiday from just one team or the other.

I am a lock to go through to the second round of African World Cup qualifying with Gambia, after a 5-0 destruction of Tanzania in the first leg. But Gambia faces little chance of surviving the second round and making it to the World Cup.

retired_B_RAN · 06-27-2006, 05:59 AM

Amazing! No message from the FA, but my fortcoming club match was rescheduled for a few days after the second leg qualifier for Gambia. So maybe SI anticipated this and put through the programming to handle it after all.

retired_duncan · 06-27-2006, 09:10 AM

I've had a national match and club match on the same day. I played them both. Big Deal.

retired_davek · 06-27-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Greg Andrade:
Exceptions prove the general rule. If there are no job offers 98% of the time, the other 2%does not mean that there isn't a programming problem.

Where do you get these figures from? There are three people in this thread saying they've been given unsolicited offers and one saying they haven't. That's 25%-75%, not 98%-2%.

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Originally posted by Greg Andrade:
Also, you're not taking into account the number of years in game time. After 15 years, you've likely built the reputation necessary to overcome programming flaws.

The game reprograms itself the longer you play? SI should be up for an award.

I would think it more likely that your answer is in your own post: I've built the reputation necessary to be approached for jobs.

How many managers in real life get asked to become national coaches after three or four years' experience? Not many, I'll wager. I'm sorry - I don't have the statistical evidence to back this up.

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Originally posted by Greg Andrade:
Now, I haven't played an FM2006 game for 15 years yet, so maybe I'll get job offers once my current game gets to a decade or more. Meanwhile, the job offers are non-existent no matter what level of success I achieve. This despite the fact that I see managers with obscure and local reputations getting jobs in the top flight.

There's the bug then: that the game doesn't treat AI managers the same as human managers. Not that you don't get offered jobs, because you do. I've been offered jobs in my first season before.

Uknowmehfo · 06-27-2006, 11:43 AM

I thought we had sorted this ''I do get unsolicited jobs/I don't'' thing.

It's easy: If you're a Pooflander/Jock, your reputation is overrated/you're bound to receive more offers.

If you're Andorran/Cape Verdian/San Marinense/South African you won't receive jobs until your reputation has grown. Even then, you might find it hard to attract the attention of other boards.

retired_davek · 06-27-2006, 11:55 AM

I'm Portuguese in my current save, by the way.

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