retired_sue_ishy

Superb idea, I totally agree.

I would also like it if this model was combined with the ability to interact with players and tell them where they need to improve to get on in the game, outside the normal training. For example in the player interaction menu telling them e.g.

a) work on your weak foot
b) bulk up in the gym
c) work on your heading
d) need to keep your concentration

Players with high determination and professionalism etc would do extra training to make it, and you could see improvements beyond the standard training model (like when Michael Owen was asked by Houllier to work on his left foor, which he did). Maybe even increase their actual PA?

Plus more impact from mentoring would be nice. Apart from PPMs, I still have no idea if this has any effect. Would make it worth keeping on the old pros.

It would be fantastic to have some extra tools to make the most of your youth.

retired_cycleman88

I seem to recall an older version of CM/FM where Ashley Cole was indeed a winger/striker.

I remember playing EA Sports' FA Premier League Football Manager 99, and while the game was horrendous, you could actually do this with the youth system.

When you get a batch of youth players, they all have generally bad attributes, but also have a set of "PPM's" or whatever the equivalent was back then in that game. You then had the chance to train them in particular positions for a set duration, directly influencing their development.

cxno3

Well thought out idea. I think it would definitely add to the youth development phase of the game.

prof101

Good point on working on things outside "team" training. I am pretty sure we used to be able to train the "footedness" (not a word I know but hopefully you get the general idea) of our players, so, you could for example turn that one footed skillful midfielder into twice the threat by getting him to train his other foot.

I think to a degree your suggestions are witin the tactics module:

-Gym: Strength training
-Heading: Ball control

However you have a point in which we should, theoretically be able to train a specific aspect in detail, such as strength if needed.

This could be, for example in a young fred D, who has all the attributes to be a centerback but is lacking in strength. In real life you would work hard with the player on this aspect of his game (depending on resources) and would attain measurable results.

As for implementing this within the game I am not sure.

Perhaps in the training module a "focus" for the month could be set? Just an idea..

retired_mtb_grrl

A point I was just going to make! CM3 I believe he was AMC.

I have always enjoyed buying young players and in the past when looking for a new player have always searched for players based on stats, not position and then retrained them to a degree; some of my best wingers have been defenders

retired_justina

Francis Jeffers.

retired_sue_ishy

Your example of the centre back is exactly what I have in mind.

Its doesnt sit within the training module as such, because you wouldnt be able to concentrate on a single attribute. One way of maybe implementing it would be in the player interaction menu to have a list of options to tell a player:

a) You have an excellent chance of making the first team squad but if you work on XXXX (pick from drop down list of attributes) you could become a star.
b) You have a chance, if you work on XXX (pick from drop down list of attributes) you could be better.
c) If you dont work on XXX (pick from drop down list of attributes) you wont make it I am afraid.

This would let them know how much you think they need to improve that area. You would then get a news message saying how the player has responded. If they have high professionalism, ambition etc, they might take it on board, if they dont or are sensitive they might get upset. But if they decide to work on it they would go away for a few months and you might see a large and sharp rise in that attribute, which your assistant could notify you of.

Obviously it couldnt work for every player, but it would be an extra lever for those budding wengers out there who like to devote time to this aspect of the game to get more out of their youth. I agree that at the moment, all you do is get a regen, look at his stats and scout reports, and if he is good put him on a decent training schedule, give him some games and wait for him to reach his PA. Managers IRL can have an enormous impact on
younger players, so it would good to be able to have more impact in this area.

retired_anqel1

im not sure how well this would work with PA for example Ashley coles PA as a LEft back is far great than that of an AMC

retired_anqel1

sorry correct it now im half asleep at work wanting to go home to FM

prof101

sorry correct it now im half asleep at work wanting to go home to FM </BLOCKQUOTE>

His positional ability is more as a left back.

His potential ability is a fixed number.

What this post is aimed at is *younsters*.

What did ashley cole start out as?

A striker

What did Wenger do?

Turn him into a top quality left back

How did he do this?

I believe that for a player to develop in the long term they can only play in a position where they have the necessary qualities. So I will analyse the players Physiologically and Psychologically, looking at their strengths and weaknesses, then I choose their best position according to their profiles.



Hope you get my point.