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Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread?
Seeing as their seem to be a lot of people struggling to improve attributes via training in FM2007, I thought I'd chip in with my training observations as I'm getting some good increases in certian areas with my schedules. I'm still getting a fair few injuries, but this I can deal with... usually. It's losing I can't handle. Plus there's a lot of discussion to be had on training I reckon.
From what I've read on here and my own experiments with the training module, it seems that there are a few different approaches to training; plus the common one- doing nothing at all and leaving all players on "General." This is exactly what I did throughout my early games with the demo, and noticed (as have many many others on these forums) that the desolate sight of amassed red arrows (sorry lads) was clear as day. It seems that medium to low intensity training has little effect on attributes (apart from when a player returns from injury), and that to improve a player we need to keep certain aspects of his training high. This is why I feel that the "General" schedule falls down- it encompasses all attributes but doesn't particularly strengthen any. Hence the drops across the board. I think that perhaps morale and/or media comments may influence a players' training workload too, but I'm entering the realm of pure specualtion here.
Here are a couple of approaches that many seem to adopt. These are intended not as a guide or bible or any such thing, and should be in no way taken as anything remotely such- they're just here to hopefully make things a bit easier for people sick of those damned red arrows.
Remember injuries can and will happen, sometimes frequently- this will happen irrespective of your training intensity. Of course the number of injuries can be lowered along with your training workload however. As a rule of thumb I think it's always wise not to stray too far above the bar on "medium" for workload, or you'll have a treatment table that resembles a skillfully animated butcher's window. This can be tricky with regard to strength/aerobic intensive schedules as these seem to raise the overall workload the quickest. As one of the in-game hints says:
[QUOTE-Too much intense physical training during the season is likely to tire your players out faster and increase the risk of injuries.
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Positional Training.
Of all training philosophies, this is in my opinion the most common, and certainly the one I've seen most frequently on the forums. Usually based around four or five differing schedules, they generally seem to revolve around what the manager deems to be crucial attributes for the position the player plays in. Of course every manager looks for different things in their defenders midfielders or strikers, which is what makes this philosophy interesting. For reference, here are the attributes each training module affects, taken from the in-game hints and tips:
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-The strength training category covers a player's natural fitness, stamina, strength and work rate.
-The aerobic training category covers a player's acceleration, agility, balance, jumping, pace and reflexes.
-The goalkeeping training category covers a player's aerial ability, handling, kicking, throwing and one on ones.
-The tactics training category covers a player's anticipation, decisions, positioning, movement, team work and command of area.
-The defending training category covers a player's tackling, marking and concentration.
-The attacking training category covers a player's passing and creativity.
-The shooting training category covers a player's finishing, long shots and composure.
-The set-pieces training category covers a player's crossing, corners, free kicks, penalty taking and long throws.
So, to mould this philosophy around your players you simply need to consider what attributes you like in your players. Try and visualise your ideal player model and go from there. For example, I like my defenders to have pace as well as the obvious defensive and tactical attributes, so I set up my defender training with this in mind. I like all my players to have some technical ability regardless of position, so give everyone some "attacking" training. My defenders aren't going to be taking any corners or penaties anytime soon, so set-piece training is sacrificed. I tend to do this for most players aside from my wide men and any penalty takers.
Individual Training.
This is obviously the most in-depth and time-consuming approach to training, with each schedule being tailor-made for each player. This approach can be combined with the previous one, for players that you deem to have weaknesses in key areas. For example, you could still have the four or five positional areas of training; but if you have a slow centre-back who needs to work on his pace and distribution, you could balance his training to encourage improvement in these areas. In this case you'd put the emphasis on aerobic and attacking training.
This can also be a useful approach with regard to your set-piece takers. I personally see set-piece training as a fairly specialised thing, so only generally incorporate it into one schedule, usually for wide players as it improves crossing.
Pre-Season Training.
A topic of recent discussion this. I'd be intrigued to know how many people use their own pre-season schedule, and what benefits they gain. The game states:
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]-Intense physical training is best carried out in pre-season, before the domestic season is under way.
In the past I've used a strength/aerobic intensive schedule, but only produced an injury pile-up. Then, when the season was underway and I switched to more technique-based schedules, the fitness work they'd already done seemed to drop down to normal again. It seems to me that "intense physical training" will always produce injuries- although I suppose the above tip suggests that if you wanted to implement such a regime, pre-season would be the place to do it. A grey area for me this one.
Goalkeeper Training
Obviously this is going to be a very specialised area too. I'm of the opinion that there are only a handful of training aspects needed here- I'm not sure how much shooting, set pieces, defending and ball control elements are needed for keepers. After all these don't improve attributes that I consider to be crucial for keepers, but each to their own of course. I know many don't bother with attacking training either, but I personally like to set my distribution to "defender collect", and therefore need my keeper to be able to pass the ball.
The schedules I've posted are simply some I've put together- they aren't intended in any way to be replicated or used as a point of reference. I still get some injuries and am always looking to improve them. One major factor of training I never bother with personally is coaches and the training rating. I rarely bother trying to get five-star training as I'm unsure of the benefits of doing this. Plus it takes a while and I'm an apathetic get at the best of times- "clear assignments" and "auto assign all" for me!. Hopefully this could provide a good topic for discussion in this thread.
Anyway, here's a few points of reference:
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TRAINING HINTS AND TIPS.
-Players who are very versatile are more likely to successfully retrain to a new position.
-Players who are very versatile are less likely to lose new positions they've learned through retraining when they're not playing or retraining the position.
-When managing a semi-professional club, it's a good idea to try and tie down key players to full-time contracts to maximise their training time.
-Staff on part-time contracts have less time to train players than full-time staff.
-Intense physical training is best carried out in pre-season, before the domestic season is under way.
-Too much intense physical training during the season is likely to tire your players out faster and increase the risk of injuries.
-Player's attributes will naturally decrease during the off-season, when they are away on holiday or doing very little training.
-When assigning coaches to training schedules, take care not overwork them. Even the best coaches can't give the players the attention to detail they want if they've too much to do.
-Remember that your youth players are still developing and as such will tire quicker. Be considerate with your workloads when devising youth schedules.
-Youth team coaches only train youth players, they do not work with or train senior players.
-Goalkeeping coaches work with and train both senior and youth goalkeepers
-Fitness coaches work with the senior and youth players, but only deal with the physical aspects of training.
-First-team coaches only work with and train the senior players, they do not work with or train youth players.
-General coaches work with and train both senior and youth players.
-Retraining a player to play in a new position can be a cost-effective way of providing additional cover for your team without having to make a new signing.
Training is an interesting area of the game that I feel gives away a lot about a manager's overall philosophy of the game. Some view certain attributes as more important than others and will focus on these, while others will concentrate on their players' perceived weaknesses. Others will adapt their training to suit their desired playing style- physically-intensive for hard-working sides, technically-intensive for high-level attacking teams. Some will just leave it well alone. Hopefully these things will make for good discussion.
10-27-2006, 11:41 AM
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? Post #2
Yeah I'm struggling to see the benefits of it. I guess it could work with a team you're going to physically train hard throughout the season, but this doesn't seem to be a good idea either.
10-27-2006, 11:57 AM
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? Post #4
Yeah nice thread Asmodeus, we haven't had a good training thread since the days of Lyssien. Training boosts are very significant for non-professional sides. And a thread like this should help anyone.
10-27-2006, 12:03 PM
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? Post #6
I don't practice intensive training in preseason. There is an emphasis on high training for strength and aerobics. I don't want to risk preseason injuries which tend to happen a lot to me when I go intensive in preseason
10-27-2006, 12:05 PM
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? Post #8
I have my training pretty simple btw. Im play an English team (Chelsea) which isnt as technical as say, the Spanish league. Focus is on physique, not technique. So I have the strength and aerobic at half way between medium and high. Apart from that, I feel tactic is extremely important (to me anyway). Positining, teamwork, anticipation etc. That I put on intensive. The rest is just first notch medium. My players are who they are and they are good enough. If not, I'll get different players :p
10-27-2006, 12:08 PM
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? Post #10
Originally posted by Benoit2:
I have my training pretty simple btw. Im play an English team (Chelsea) which isnt as technical as say, the Spanish league. Focus is on physique, not technique. So I have the strength and aerobic at half way between medium and high. Apart from that, I feel tactic is extremely important (to me anyway). Positining, teamwork, anticipation etc. That I put on intensive. The rest is just first notch medium. My players are who they are and they are good enough. If not, I'll get different players :p
Some Training Approaches and Suggestion- a Possible Discussion Thread? 
)- are you talking about part-time training and such like?
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