leftfoot

As said by others nice post.

The main problem I have is I can't figure out what passing style or tempo the AI is used and how it's represented in the 2d highlights. To try to figure this out I just tested with my own team, in this case Man Utd to try and remove the impact of poor quality on the test, and even when I had creative freedom low and passing at the furthest value of short the players still punted the ball long on a fairly regular basis.

Basically what I'm asking is how do you tell what style the AI is using without making assumptions based on knowledge of the real life team. Do you just base it on what the scout says and assume that they won't change it during the match? Any tips or help would be appreciated.

retired_hope

I do not believe closing down and tempo are related. Your team closes down the other team when you don't have the ball.

Tempo is related to the amount of time a player on the ball before making a pass. The shorter the passing the slower the tempo needs to be otherwise your player will rush the pass and lose possesion.

That being said if the opponent is pressing you, the passes will need to be made at a quicker tempo or you will be caught and lose possesion because you dallied on the ball. It is a balancing act.

The more direct the passing is the higher the tempo can be because this type of passing is less difficult to do.

Teams in the premier league will press the ball often so you to play short passing you will need to use at least a moderate tempo.

Only the Big Four can play short passing at a quick tempo because they have the players high in the important stats to do it. The rest will have to either play more direct or reduce their tempo.

In Serie A, teams do not close down much. The heat in Italy would cause their players to tire too quickly. This means that the tempo can slow down resulting in more accurate slow passing due to the greater time on the ball.

retired_hope

If you want to reapeat your test and set everyone too through balls rarely, then you will notice that the longer balls are reduced. Im not saying do this in a real game as the throughball can be a deadly weapon when used by the right players to create a scoring opportunity.

I use the scout reports are the main source of information about my opponent, however I have mentioned in the past that after about half a season teams at all levels will start playing shorter and more defensively. I believe this is a bug with the game and am awaiting a response from SI. This does mean that even League Two teams will try to play short passing, and because they don't have the players to do it, they will play worse than they should making LLM easier.

It is less noticable in the top flight as most teams play shorter passing anyway, however they will play more defensively relative to how they would normally play against you. If you are Leyton Orient in the Prem at the begining of the game Man Utd and Chelsea whould blitz you to death, but you would have a better chance of hitting them on the break.

hdsegal

Thanks Leroy, this thread is a breath of fresh air.

retired_tasha

I do not believe closing down and tempo are related. Your team closes down the other team when you don't have the ball.

Tempo is related to the amount of time a player on the ball before making a pass. The shorter the passing the slower the tempo needs to be otherwise your player will rush the pass and lose possesion.

That being said if the opponent is pressing you, the passes will need to be made at a quicker tempo or you will be caught and lose possesion because you dallied on the ball. It is a balancing act.

The more direct the passing is the higher the tempo can be because this type of passing is less difficult to do.

Teams in the premier league will press the ball often so you to play short passing you will need to use at least a moderate tempo.

Only the Big Four can play short passing at a quick tempo because they have the players high in the important stats to do it. The rest will have to either play more direct or reduce their tempo.

In Serie A, teams do not close down much. The heat in Italy would cause their players to tire too quickly. This means that the tempo can slow down resulting in more accurate slow passing due to the greater time on the ball. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok thnx for your quick reply!

But what if i already use a quick tempo (in combination with short passing) and the opposition is pressuring me? from reading your opening post, i understand that changing passing (towards direct) would be the most logical thing to do, but the result of this is that my players just pass the ball upfield with no thought behind it.
To counter this, i've tried all kinds of things... but to no avail, the only thing which seems to work sometimes is higher the d-line (which i normally have at the first notch of deep). The only problem i've left then is that my defenders are too slow to counter balls over the top, but that is none tactical related.
Do you have any other suggestions what could be the problem? I know it's difficult to tell as you don't know the details of my tactic... but hey.. i could always ask it !

retired_FaultyFate

Bastigol,

I know you have asked Leroy, but here is my idea.

You play quick tempo, short passing, and deep def. line = you give AI space and your defs not always have option for quick short pass once they intercept ball. If your defs do not have high decision stats and AI close down hard, you have a problem. Once you push DL up, they have more options to pass = tactic works better in this aspect, but a problem you mentioned occures. So, I would ask defs to pass more directly (defs only, not the whole team). You didn't mention mentality, but if it is attacking, you could also reduce it a bit, especially for midfielders, to make them stay closer to defenders and offer the latter more options.

Hope it helps.

retired_tasha

thanx for your solution... :thup:
forgot the whole mentality a bit there..
i always try to to change this around only by tinkering with the team sliders.. but i never touch the mentality slider, because all my players have different mentalities...
will use individual mentality changes as you suggested the next time i experience this problem

thnx mate

leftfoot

Thanks for the reply Leroy1883.

retired_hope

That is excellent.

By dropping the line and playing more direct at the back, you mitgate the limitation of you defences lack of pace, whilst stll being able to take advantage of you passing ability in the midfield.

If you lower the mentality a bit also, you keep the team more compact and by playing at least 1 MC with a more defensive mentality you will only need to increase the back line passing by a few notches to mixed as they will look to pass to the withdrawn midfielder. If he has good passing and creativity he would make a great choice as a playmaker.

Give it a try

retired_jdh2191

Hey Leroy, I´d really like to play with tactics you design. Any chance you could upload a tactic pack?