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12-25-2007, 10:48 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #11 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
With the utmost respect.....
You haven't proved that the match engine is bogus at all.
You have proved that the results that can be achieved by use of the editor are strange. There are too many variables invilved for you to say with any certaintly that the match engine is responsible, (although it would certainly seem to suggest it).
Other factors, (just off the top of my head) that might be influencing this are, standard of training facilities, standard of coaching staff, hidden attributes making "stars" perform below acceptable levels and making "youngsters" overperform.
It is pretty naive of you to ignore all these other factors and concentrate solely on the one are that you wish to. The game isn't that simple unfortunately.
Well done though, you have certainly raised some excellent questions, just don't be too quick to jump to a poorly thought out conclusion.
As for a respomnse from SI, I would hope that you would get one too, but remember that it is Christmas Day and they all have families and lifes of their own too.
Merry Christmas.
| Sure if you believe that that Drogba with his stats would score only 24 in 39 league games in Coca cola league 1, and Nielsen with his finishing attribute of 12 score 17 in 33 games in the Premiership.
If that is a realistic simulation of football I will personally go to the SI headquarters and kiss everybody's ass.
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12-25-2007, 10:58 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #12 | | Newb
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I think the club reputation has too much influence on performance. After about 10 years into a season there has been some swapping around in players and some of the upcoming teams has managed to get a decent squad. Unfortunatly a good bunch of players and a good tactic is not enough on too many occations. If your teams reputation doesn't climb at the same rate as the team does it will be a struggle more often than not no matter what you field.
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12-25-2007, 11:00 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #13 | | Registered User
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would love to know the number of clear chances created by each teams....i assume u made no chances to the managers of both the teams??
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12-25-2007, 11:02 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #14 | | Warming Up
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I am not saying that it is a realistic simulation of anything.
I am saying that you have done a test and come up with some worrying/results. The problem is the conclusions that you are drawing from these results. You have proved that something is wrong. Unfortunately you have not proved what it is that is wrong.
Do you see what I mean?
If you can be bothered to take the next step, what you need to do is change some other variables to see what else affects the player performances.
Only once you have ruled all the other variables out can you say with any certainty that it is down to the match engine.
DO you see what I mean now?
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12-25-2007, 11:15 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #15 | | Registered User
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You guys want more proof the game engine is broken?
1. Open the editor
2. Take a country like Andorra and give them players with CA and PA of 200.
3. Start the game and when it starts the players CA would have dropped to 170 or something but that doesn't matter.
4. Go on holiday for a year or 2.
5. Look at all of Andorra's results from that time.
Now if it worked correctly (or should I say incorrectly) Andorra should have played like they had crap players. I have noticed this with crap nations, even if you give them good players when matches are simulated in no detail they still play bad.
Why?
Well I think this applies to the opening post as well. Basically when matches are run in no detail then it seems the result is determined by reputation. If the same test was re run with the matches run in detail then I think we would get proper results. If the opening poster wants to he can try it but it will take a lot longer. Just put the detail level on for premier league and championship and go on holiday.
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12-25-2007, 11:20 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #16 | | Registered User
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I never said it was the match engine, I only mentioned the game engine in general.
It is not up to me to find out where the fault is, and I really don't care.
I just wanted to show that the fault exists.
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12-25-2007, 11:23 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #17 | | Warming Up
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Yes you did. Quote: |
Actually I don't give a crap why this is like it is, and what SI did with the game engine, I just wanted to show that the game engine is rigged.
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12-25-2007, 11:25 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #18 | | Registered User
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Well it isnt the game engine I guess. It is more the way SI made the game calculate games not run in detail. Seems to be down to reputation. I understand why they did this...because it is faster. But maybe they could figure out a way to factor attributes into it as well while keeping it at the same speed. Now that will require much more efficient code. If they really wanted to do this then they could go and code it it in machine code for all I care. But obviously they wont. Once again it comes down to the fact that even thought the game has a lot of problems, it is still the best football management game on the market and so people keep buying it and since SI keep making money they have no reason to fix it. I ave no problem with that, I would do the same thing. SI is a business after all and they have the right to make money and fair play to them.
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12-25-2007, 11:26 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #19 | | Registered User
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Quote:
Originally posted by DS:
You guys want more proof the game engine is broken?
1. Open the editor
2. Take a country like Andorra and give them players with CA and PA of 200.
3. Start the game and when it starts the players CA would have dropped to 170 or something but that doesn't matter.
4. Go on holiday for a year or 2.
5. Look at all of Andorra's results from that time.
Now if it worked correctly (or should I say incorrectly) Andorra should have played like they had crap players. I have noticed this with crap nations, even if you give them good players when matches are simulated in no detail they still play bad.
Why?
Well I think this applies to the opening post as well. Basically when matches are run in no detail then it seems the result is determined by reputation. If the same test was re run with the matches run in detail then I think we would get proper results. If the opening poster wants to he can try it but it will take a lot longer. Just put the detail level on for premier league and championship and go on holiday.
| Ok i will start a new game with the same database, and put it in full detail, for england and the continental competitions.
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12-25-2007, 11:29 AM
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(disproved on page 2) Finaly proved it, the game engine is bogus Post #20 | | Warming Up
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Ok i will start a new game with the same database, and put it in full detail, for england and the continental competitions.
| That's the spirit :thup:.
None of the "I don't care" malarkey  .
If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting about it on Christams Day.
Merry Christmas  .
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