retired_hope

retired_hope

Thank **** for that!

george121

I'm sorry for being stupid but I can't understand that draw....can you please explain Leroy?

retired_krpotram

so .... Width is how far or close you want your players be at the field (despite i think is apllied more in defense)
The others it seems (and i conccur) that are all conected the mentality and then the closing down and defensive line. After see 3-4 games i think that the closing down starts where you put your defensive line. Despite of controlling the defense it alsow show to the team where to star to closing down. The only problem is the recovering. Some players are catch out of position when we have a high defensive line because they tend to come slowy to their position and you can suffer critical counter atacks.

retired_krpotram

so .... Width is how far or close you want your players be at the field (despite i think is apllied more in defense)
The others it seems (and i conccur) that are all conected the mentality and then the closing down and defensive line. After see 3-4 games i think that the closing down starts where you put your defensive line. Despite of controlling the defense it alsow show to the team where to star to closing down. The only problem is the recovering. Some players are catch out of position when we have a high defensive line because they tend to come slowy to their position and you can suffer critical counter atacks.

retired_kellyk

Yahoo. Someone else has seen the light.Precisely. That's how I work my tactics now. Different kinds of formation may require different kinds of settings to make them work. You certainly have shown an uncanny knack of seeing into the confused muddle which is my mind

retired_hope

Excellent, I don't feel like a complete idiot by drawing that diagram now.

I think the manual is at fault big time here, I always thought it was a bit suss that it describes closing down levels as Own Area\Own Half\All Over yet in the game it is Rarely\Normal\Often

This implies an closing down slider independent of any thing else.

Im so glad that we worked through it, and that I did not just dismiss the idea.

So going back to the orignal problem of Athletico vs Chelsea, it would be wise to increase the closing down on your midfielders, who will need to have high workrate and stamina. Reduce the midfielders mentality to defensive to stay compact, I would even set at least one to forward runs rarely, play narrower and try to hit them on the break.

Thanks again rashidi, that is something so subtle to catch, it took me time and that was when I was looking for it. Well done.

retired_rjw13838

So what does this mean? If I set defensive line to 1 and closing down to 20, they wont close down until very deep, but when they do, they'll do it like crazy?

retired_hope

Don't think of the Closing Down slider as a pressing intensity thing.

It it purely, the point on the pitch your player will start to close down the ball carrier if they enter their zone.

In your example, if you set the closing down slider to 20 and D-line to one, your players would probably start to close down the opposition in the same place as if you had a D-line of 10 and closing down on 10.

However, you defenders would still start to retreat to the edge of their box, when you lost possession. But if the an opposition player with the ball came near they would close down the player.

Thinking about it it is probably the workrate attribute that determines the intensity of a player's closing down.

retired_FaultyFate

Leroy and Rashidi,

I think your theory makes perfect sense. If you set def. mentality and deep def line, then the only way close down "often" may work is players drop down and start closing down near own area. Likewise, setting close down to "often" with higher def. line and attacking mentality instruct your players to close down on opposition half.

This brings an interesting question though. Say I set def line deep. If I use individual seetings for my players' mentality (say Rule of One or something similar), and ask, say, FB with def mentality close down often, he will do it near own area. On the other hand, my winger, if asked to close down often, will start doing it near opposition area, leaving a lot of space for opposition. Hmm... I need to check my tactic. Thanks.