retired_jsap7

While brazilians are infamous and renowned for their dazzling skills and flamboyance, it is the patient, hypnotizing passing of argenina that pure lovers of football will appreciate.
They create so many triangles play into little spaces and keep the ball endlessly. What surprises me is from what I have seen people always create tactics for total football/ajax, arsenal, man utd and brazil but i don't think that anyone has tried to produce a replica of argentina's unique playing style which has become a endangered specie in the beautiful game.

Basically I want if possible everyone who can to make suggestions shapes and instruction which would enable you to pass teams to death.

All ideas are welcome.

retired_e_fores

Well the ultimate pass to death would be a 3-6-1. No penetration, no defense, but all the possession you could ever want.

retired_jilliankcrabtree

I've watched the Copa America and have a little idea of how they a lined up. Isn't it something like this, basically?

FC - Crespo/Milito

AMC - Lionel Messi AMC - Riquelme

MC - Veron

DMC - Cambiasso DMC - Mascherano

DL - Heinze DC - Ayala - DC - Milito DR - Zanetti

Correct me if i'm wrong

Vinniepaz

i think that they play more a 4-1-2-1-2
crespo
messi

riquelme
veron (att. mc)
cambiasso (def. mc)
mascherano
heinze-ayala-milito-zanetti

with messi having a free role as he goes everywhere in the front
and riquelme being a playmaker and setting up the tempo of the game
i believe that to make that passing football as argentina you'll have to have a slow tempo, short passing and a wide play as they make the ball run until they have the perfect opportunity to score

Vinniepaz

setup didnt came as i wanted
---------crespo-------
----------messi(free-role)------
------riquelme(playmaker amc)---
-----------veron(att.mc)----
-cambiasso(def.mc)-------
-------masche(dmc)------
heinze-ayala-milito-zanetti

retired_shella12

I think sart is closer to it. I love Argentina and of course I would love to try and replicate their style. But playing in the lower leagues of England right now there is no way I can. Watching the Copa America I get a senss of this.

----------Crespo---- Messi-----

-------------Riquelme----------

-------Cambiasso-----Veron-----

-----------Masheranno----------

Heinze--Diaz---Ayala---Zanettie

Obviously very attacking minded. With Messi having a free role. They play 4 central midfielders. No Wingers. Keeping short passing throughout the team with a very slow tempo. Rarely crossing the ball and very few throughballs. The idea is to keep the ball as much as possible untill and opportunity arrises.

To be honest. I dont quite agree with this. I think the manager needs to take off on of the midfielders and put on a nother strikers. Than move messi to the flanks. I get the idea that Argentina likes to dominate the midfield and have tha ball a lot. But I still think they are too predictable and one domensional this way. I would like to see a more free rolling Argentina that offers a little bit of everything. Crosses and throughballs and dribbling. Right now its short short short passing for 90 minutes.

Another problem I see with their tactic is that due to the lack of support on the wings, the strikers keep on having to drag themselves to the side and when they get the ball they are easy to defend and have no one to pass to. Unless a full back comes up or a midfilder makes a run to the middle. Which I rarely see. Its almost as if they are playing keep away to themselves and setting themselves up in stucky situations.

Argentina has the ability to dominate the games. They dont need to play 5 central midfielders to do it. I say take off Veron and play Dallesanro or Milito. This way you have the domination in the middle with Riquelem, Cambiasoo, and Masheranno. But your strikers dont have to keep dragging themselves out of position to get the ball. If you wanna try and set this up in FM go a head. But I dont think it would work for more than 2 games.

Luketi

Well, as argentinian I can tell you that our team play like this (in terms of FM)

GK ABBONDANZIERI
DR ZANETTI
DC AYALA
DC G.MILITO
DL HEINZE
MC(r) VERON
DMC MASCHERANO
MC(l) CAMBIASSO
AMC RIQUELME
AMR/R/L MESSI
FC CRESPO/D.MILITO

Veron and Cambiasso aren`t the typical wingers, as they lack of pace and acceleration attributes. Though, they have excellent technique and passing, so they play an essential role for keeping the ball. Riquelme is the AMC, free role. Messi starts playing very similar to his Barcelona role: as a right attacking midfielder. But he uses to change his side and play as a left attacking midfielder, so Veron and Zanetti make more forward runs.

I would try this to implement this style in FM:

Very short passing.
Very slow tempo.
Through balls only for Riquelme and Veron.
Forward runs mixed for everyone, except Mascherano: Rarely.
Defensive line: pushing forward.
Closing down: Mixed.
Distribution: Defender collect.
High creative freedom for: Messi, Riquelme and Veron.
Time wasting: normal to often.
Width: Normal to wide.

I`d also move Messi from AM R to AM L, if it`s necessary.

retired_jacque90

This has changed now for the Copa America, but at least for the last World Cup, (variable WB/R) and Sorin were the wingbacks that were constantly going forward, really high up the field. Crossing the middle line as often as they could.