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Old 07-05-2007, 10:58 AM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #41
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2. Well either i have a completely different version to you, OR one of us aint actually watching the games, OR one of us is lying(see MY screenshots to see i'm telling the truth!).
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Old 07-05-2007, 12:38 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #42
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Mr. hammer.

You are a very stubbern person. it is obvious that you cant handle that someone else has another opinion than you.

What the screenshots tell you is that you didnt manage it correctly in those mathces. That has happened to me a lot of times, but i continue with the fact that i have learned from those matches and continue with the game with the same attitude as before

So i think that conclude that the game cheats is a meaningless conclusion. it is just one of those days.

but i wish you all the best.
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Old 07-05-2007, 01:05 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #43
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hammer1000:

2. Well either i have a completely different version to you, OR one of us aint actually watching the games, OR one of us is lying(see MY screenshots to see i'm telling the truth!).
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I never highlighted the lying part mate.

If i had to guess, i would suggest that you do not watch the games in any real depth. This of course is an assumption, founded through testament from many other posters that see exactly what i'm seeing.

I dont suppose you could post some screenshots of your games or offer up some pkm's could you?.

From what i can make out, a lot of people "in my shoes" are bailing out because they have realised that whatever they say is of no consequence and not even considered.

Summing up, i would have to say that the so called sophisticated match engine and AI is simply not clever enough to win on an even playing field(forgive the pun).
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:08 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #44
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Hammer 1000 i totally understand your frustrations.

First of all there are too many people on these forums who jump on a negative thread and claim the person to be bothersome etc, well if thats the case dont read them. If someone has a genuine problem with the game then they are entitled to post it up for discussion not ridicule.

Secondly I am playing as Ajax, just completed my third season, yet again pipped to the post by a poor run of form at the back end of the season. First two seasons ridculous away form cost me despite totally dominating massively inferior teams, but this time a collapse on an epic level which was not down to poor tactics or what ever SI induced brainwash some people on these forums come out with. There was nothing I could do about it.

I had 8 games left, had won 22, drew 2 and lost 2. Was comfortable at the top with a 7 point gap to PSV and AZ. The results which I suffered were mindblowing. 2 wins 3 draws 3 defeats came from no where, like a bolt out of the blue, I say that because my football didn't change. Morale was high, creating the ususal bucket load of chances however something went wrong somewehere. I was rotating my tactics the same way as I had all season yet all of a sudden my forwards no longer scored. I suspect the AI kicked in and an average across the last 8 games of 55% possession, 67% pass completion, 12 attempts 8 on target resulted in scoring 3 goals in 8 games. HOW?????? 64 shots on target and only 3 goals. Do me a favour, you can accept some things in the game but not strikers with 17+ finsihing, 15+ composure missing clear cut chance after clear cut chance whilst some halfwit runs up the other end with 10 finishing 8 composure dusting off the only 2 chances he gets. Totally unrealistic, I would rather the game didn't create the chances than have to sit and watch goalkeepers pull off save after save after save

With out a doubt there is something in this game. That I have no question. I have not had any success in this game whatsoever. I find it impossible due to turn arounds in form which can not be countered, this isn't poor tactics, my current tactics set dominates games home and away but when the AI doesn't want you to score you don't score. I have had some ridiculous runs of results with Ajax. Winning 9-0 drawing 0-0, winning 6-0 and loosing 1-0 in the space of 10 days. All of these results were played against opponents who played the exact same way, 442 defensive. I attacked them, created enough chances to win 2 leagues but for some reason my forwards were bang in form 1 game, then they couldn't score, then they could, then they couldn't. It was like a light being turned on and off.

I am bracing myself for the ususal "well forwards in IRL go through lean spells" this might be true but in them lean spells they won't be getting 6 clear cut chances every game. I can say 100%, having watched him for 10 glorious seasons, that if Alan Shearer had 6 clear cut chances every time he had played for Newcastle he would have scored minimum 40 goals every single season, this would be true about all forwards i.e Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Owen etc This game just does not allow you to dominate the game in which your stats etc show that you have. I am pig sick of having to watch a game which I have dominated but only won 2-1 or 1-0 and read the post match reviews of how much I dominated etc when in truth it was a nailbiter as the other team just polished off there 1 qnd only chance when my 10th which was destined for the top corner was yet again stopped by a 6ft GK who is able to extent his body to 9ft to tip a shot away at the opposite side of the goal which he is standing.

Rant over. The AI in this game stinks. End of discussion
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:59 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #45
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Great post Sven mate!. :thup:
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:12 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #46
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hello sven.

i say again as i said to hammer. this thing does happen in real life.

the perfect example is psv terrible form at the end of season. they almost lost the title, but managed to grab it in the last round.

i dont know why it is necsessary to say these things. you just have to try and try. thats what i do and im very happy with the game. you learn something every match.

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Old 07-05-2007, 06:54 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #47
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First of all there are too many people on these forums who jump on a negative thread and claim the person to be bothersome etc, well if thats the case dont read them. If someone has a genuine problem with the game then they are entitled to post it up for discussion not ridicule.
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Rant over. The AI in this game stinks. End of discussion
Ha-ha-ha

So if you have something to say something against the game you "...are entitled to post it up for discussion not ridicule", and if you want to say something on a contrary, then either "...dont read them" or even better "...End of discussion".

Ha-ha-ha
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Old 07-06-2007, 06:01 AM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #48
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Some of the files are not of the Jarzinho tactic as the older rar file at fmdownloads cannot be located...so i put together more files some tactics I conjured up before a game begins to see if they work.


The rar file includes screenshots as well as 4 pkms. In one of the screenshots it shows me up 2 goals against Chelsea after 23 minutes and chelsea haven't even got one shot on goal At that point I became cocky, decided to let them come and attack me. Big mistake, it took some pushing up of Dlines and narrowing of widths before I came away with a 3-2 win.

There are screenshots of successful teamtalks as well where I haveto blast the players to wake up...they come back to knock the other team as well. I could post my entire saved game for people and it probably won't make a dent in people. Honestly, there's more to this game than people know, its fundamentally simple and all the complicated theories in this world don't make it any easier to understand. The game is fundamentally easy. If you are switching tactics around in a game then that is not the right thing to do. If you want to do that then you have to know for sure what the effect is going to be.,

I use one tactic for the majority of the season, I have tried a couple of new ideas this season including a 4132, a 4231, a 343 and some of those pkms may just be those formations, but for the whole of last season it was one tactic all the way to the ECL final against Roma.

In fact in the ECL semis I was taking a 3-1 lead to old trafford I went down a goal early, but the absence of my goal scoring wonder forced me to do the unthinkable..I actually started the game defensively..sat back and almost paid the price till I pushed my dline up and started defending in midfield.

I'm sorry if I appear so upset whenever people accuse this game of "cheating", honestly this is the best engine yet, because I can tell. I do actually watch the game in full sometimes and at times marvel at how well my team is knocking the ball about like a bunch of superstars, and at times they stink when they get too good...but therein lies my enjoyment the ability to rise above all this and bring out the best.
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Old 07-06-2007, 06:47 AM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #49
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by rashidi1:
I give up. But before I utter my last word on the subject...you are truly full of contradictions...."the switches are minor. but include, width, tempo, player runs etc etc"... if those are minor then I'm the pope.

I do not appreciate being called a liar.I would suggest you start taking a side like Gateshead and see if you can finish one of the challenges. The tactics aren't even of your own making yet you claim that you know enough about the tactic creation process to assert that the game is cheating??

You claim that your changes have worked and therefore your final position of 3rd is testimony to that fact?

I'm sorry but you haven't convinced me and you are really becoming bothersome. If you truly feel that this game is making you feel like a chump then go and prove your case to SI. You have their emails. But suggesting that I am a liar is going to be your nail in the coffin.
First of all i did'nt call you a liar, it was simply one of a few reasons why you might not be seeing what i(and many others i might add) are seeing.

I have posted before that i have tried many times to e-mail SI and individuals such as Mr V, sadly i have NEVER had a response. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but I have to fundamentally disagree with your comment about the approachability of SI employees.

Firstly, I should add that sometimes emails can be misplaced or muddled up and sent elsewhere.

Example - I emailed one SI employee, emailed him a second time to ask a different question as well as the first question, he politely explained he didn't know what happened to the other email and kindly helped answer both of my questions. He was a big help to me.

The next day, my original 'missing email' was kindly answered by a completely different SI employee, even though in the email it showed I had sent that message to a different SI employee only. This clearly shows how emails can get mixed up at SI or lost at SI.

To add to my point about emails getting mixed up - both SI employees answered my question anyway and from 1 of the SI employees that I asked several questions to, I ended up getting a total of 3 emails from him. This clearly shows that SI employee responses do happen, they aren't one offs and they are very, very helpful.

So I do not buy into the fact that your emails to SI have never been answered deliberately. I'm not saying your saying they did it deliberately, I'm just saying that SI employees would not do this.

SI are very good us and always do their utmost to respond to their fans if they have questions. I thank SI employees for being so approachable and for being so helpful.

WELL DONE SI FOR YOUR GREAT SERVICE. :thup:
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hello sven.

i say again as i said to hammer. this thing does happen in real life.

the perfect example is psv terrible form at the end of season. they almost lost the title, but managed to grab it in the last round.

i dont know why it is necsessary to say these things. you just have to try and try. thats what i do and im very happy with the game. you learn something every match.

have a nice evening
Sorry mate but a massively predictable response.

Please don't pretend that a game mimicks real life, that is the worst argument in the world, neither this game or any other computer game can simulate real world football. There are far to many variables IRL which can not be recreated in a computer game hence why people get frustrated .

You don't need to talk to me about teams throwing away the league. I am a Newcastle fan and watched a 12 point lead evaporate. Don't know about PSV but I definately know about Newcastle. This was a gradual thing, players lost form over a number of weeks, couple of injuries and most telling the system/formation was changed in an attempt to fit a new player in. None of the above occured in my game which is the point I was trying to make above, I came off the back of a 12 game unbeaten run into the last 8 games, absolutely no signs of lost form, fully fit team, same 3 systems being employed and morale was very high. I still totally overran my opponents, created loads of chances but for some unknown reason the lights got switched out. Just doesn't happen.
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