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Old 07-04-2007, 02:41 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #11
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The game doesn't need an overhaul. It just needs a new and relevent manual.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:25 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #12
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So just to make sure I understand you properly: You're arguing that through your tactical setup (well, your friend's) that you got West Ham to the top of the table in the Premiership and finished 3rd, a 'major accomplishment' by your own admission, and yet at the same time are arguing that tactics don't make any difference at all and that everything is predetermined. Is that right?

And the evil, evil AI waited and fired up its super secret Cheat-o-Matic 5000 to deny you the Premier League, but not the UEFA Cup.

Surely if everything was predetermined by the match engine, it would be predetermined *all the time*, not just at particular moments in the season.

I'm not saying this game is easy, but you, sir, have a persecution complex. I promise your computer is not plotting against you.

Your blender, on the other hand, looks far from trustworthy.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:45 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #13
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Well i have no problems with my game and i like all of the cm/fm series so this is just to say a BIG thank-you to everyone at si kutgw :thup:
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Old 07-04-2007, 04:10 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #14
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unless a big improvement next year i wont be buying the game
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Old 07-04-2007, 04:30 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #15
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the problem you had is with tevez's hiden stats, i have the same thing with my current game with west ham. similar to you, i finished 2nd in my first season and got to the uefa cup final (i'm using my own ajax style tactic at the moment) 2nd season i finished 2nd again and won the f.a cup using tevez mostly as my playmaker behind dean ashton or darren bent(absolute bargain btw) anyway the whole point of this reply.... i hired a new ass/man who after 3 games of the 3rd season when tevez won player of the month delivered a warning about his loyalty and dedication...... this then i think, explains the irrational form he usually gets around the end of the season and the christmas.

on another note i think that getting the right assistant manager is probably as important as getting your tactics right for a game, i've noticed a huge change in performances now that i've handed over team talks to mine, look for 20's in man management and motivating + 18+ in ability and potential, usually youth coachs are your best bet for this type of assistant. its helped to smooth out some of the inconsistancys in my own game
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:50 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #16
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Originally posted by medievalist:
So just to make sure I understand you properly: You're arguing that through your tactical setup (well, your friend's) that you got West Ham to the top of the table in the Premiership and finished 3rd, a 'major accomplishment' by your own admission, and yet at the same time are arguing that tactics don't make any difference at all and that everything is predetermined. Is that right?

And the evil, evil AI waited and fired up its super secret Cheat-o-Matic 5000 to deny you the Premier League, but not the UEFA Cup.

Surely if everything was predetermined by the match engine, it would be predetermined *all the time*, not just at particular moments in the season.

I'm not saying this game is easy, but you, sir, have a persecution complex. I promise your computer is not plotting against you.

Your blender, on the other hand, looks far from trustworthy.
Why do some people find it so hard to believe that the AI can and does manipulate matches?.

The only problem with the tactic set i use is that i have to watch the matches very carefully, ready for the AI switching. Maybe if a few more of you watched the actual action on the pitch you would'nt be so quick to jump to SI's defence.

I'm obviosly not struggling with the game being too hard so that's not a reliable excuse.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:15 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #17
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Why do some people find it so hard to believe that the AI can and does manipulate matches?.

The only problem with the tactic set i use is that i have to watch the matches very carefully, ready for the AI switching. Maybe if a few more of you watched the actual action on the pitch you would'nt be so quick to jump to SI's defence.

I'm obviosly not struggling with the game being too hard so that's not a reliable excuse.
Because the argument you're making doesn't make any sense. I could understand the AI manipulating *every* match, although I don't think it does. I believe the AI manipulates *no* matches. But to suggest that it manipulates matches some of the time, but not all the time, just to deny you specific things, is crazy talk.

So, what, SI programmed the game so that West Ham could never win the Premiership? Or when are you suggesting these 'manipulation' features kick in?

How does your argument that if you use your friend's tactic set jive with your earlier statement that tactics don't make any difference?

The reasonable explanation is that through using what sounds like a very good, if high-maintenance, tactical approach, you did very well with West Ham ('major accomplishment' in your words) but couldn't quite win the league in one season. In other words, tactics have a major effect, but not an completely overriding effect.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:17 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #18
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How does your argument that if you use your friend's tactic you can beat the AIset jive with your earlier statement that tactics don't make any difference?
Damn I wish we could edit our posts.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:32 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #19
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hammer1000:
Why do some people find it so hard to believe that the AI can and does manipulate matches?.

The only problem with the tactic set i use is that i have to watch the matches very carefully, ready for the AI switching. Maybe if a few more of you watched the actual action on the pitch you would'nt be so quick to jump to SI's defence.

I'm obviosly not struggling with the game being too hard so that's not a reliable excuse.
Because the argument you're making doesn't make any sense. I could understand the AI manipulating *every* match, although I don't think it does. I believe the AI manipulates *no* matches. But to suggest that it manipulates matches some of the time, but not all the time, just to deny you specific things, is crazy talk.

So, what, SI programmed the game so that West Ham could never win the Premiership? Or when are you suggesting these 'manipulation' features kick in?

How does your argument that if you use your friend's tactic set jive with your earlier statement that tactics don't make any difference?

The reasonable explanation is that through using what sounds like a very good, if high-maintenance, tactical approach, you did very well with West Ham ('major accomplishment' in your words) but couldn't quite win the league in one season. In other words, tactics have a major effect, but not an completely overriding effect. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I take it English is not your 1st language mate?.

What i'm saying(and i'm sure most people got it the first time ), is that however good your tactics are the AI simply overides them whenever it pleases.

In other words even the best tactic/s and greatest Manager skills can only take you so far, the game IMHO is just too easy, so the AI has had to set barriers so that you simply dont win every game.

This of course would back up my claim that that is why "Super Tactics" are a thing of the past.

Sadly, by being too eager to eradicate the "Super Tactic", SI have made a big balls up in the coding and proggramming of the game, which leaves us with what we have now.

Look at it this way, when the likes of Manure and Chelski get beat, is it because the opposition are lucky and that they simply scored with their only shot on target whilst Manure and/or Chelsea missed a hatful of chances?, quite simply NO!, but that is basically the only way the AI can beat you on this game.

True, now and again teams pick up a lucky point or even all three, but its very much a rarity, whilst in FM07 its all too a regular occurence!.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:37 PM   Why This Game Needs A Complete Overhaul!. Post #20
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Right, CL qualifier and i'm comfortable at 2-0. Heereveen have'nt even had a shot on target so they switch formation. I do the same to counteract their next formation o.k.?.
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