littlemoe_cc

Hello everyone!

I have been using this formation for quite awhile:

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I've been wondering if i set Width=20, will the AMLC and AMRC be pushed nearer to the sidelines as if they're playing as a winger, i.e. AML and AMR?

And if so, then if focused passing is set to both flanks would they be more on the flanks rather in the center or middle? Thanks!

almatyfc

I think that instead of fixing width on 20, you should first move them to the sides (convert them to AML/AMR on your formation) because a width of 20 will also affect the rest of team. I would then set width on 14.
How is this formation working for you? Don't you have problems recovering balls on midfield?
What are your team instruction?

littlemoe_cc

almatyfc

The formation is working quite well. Before this formation, i was using a flat 4-4-2, farrowed MR/L and MC. However, i came up against a team using a formation similar to above however using only only one striker, and two MCs barrowed and AMCs on the sides sarrowed. It was so good that i have to make a tactic using that formation. However, i wanted to have two strikers up front, hence, the formation. What i like with the formation is that when the opposing GK saves the strikers' efforts, my AMCs are in position to follow up the miss or save. Also, it frees up the AMC (middle) because the opponent is busy defending my AMRC, AMLC and two strikers, thus giving him more opportunities both in making through balls and making goals. I use Ronaldo in the middle and right now past halfway of the season, Ronaldo got 31 goals and 29 assists 17 MOMs 8.04 average rating in 45 matches. Rooney, 31 goals 10 assists 6 MOMs 7.92 rating in 26 matches (he got injured for two months!), Cesar Delgado: 19 goals, 9 assists, 2 MOMS in 25 games, Saha 14 goals, 8 assists, 1MOM 7.32 rating in 26 matches, Alan Smith, 16 G, 3 A, 2 MOMs in 35 matches. My AMLC/AMRCs have around 9 assists and does the hardwork in midfield.

I also ticked on targetman and playmaker on and chose the AMC (middle) for both, in this case, Ronaldo. My idea is that to keep the markers off ronaldo, i let the ball be brought on the sides (focused passing=both flanks and width)then when they close down on that player, he passes to ronaldo who then is free and he may make a through ball to the strikers, or run with the ball and score or pass, or make a long range shot.

I have high mentality (staggered), normal CF (except i put on much to AMCs and ST with high CF), direct passing, tempo quick (20), width (20), timewasting=rarely. All my AMCs are on high closing down to cope up with the midfield battle.

I posted my inquiry about focused passing and width so that i figure out the best values for closing down and dline. That i think is what needs improvement in my tactic.

almatyfc

it seems interesting, I will give it a try. however, I always thougth that with such talented players one should use short pass and low tempo.
what about the DMC, is he on hard tackling?
are you conceding many goals? of what kind?

almatyfc

could you please upload your formation?

littlemoe_cc

You can download the tactic through this link:

http://files.filefront.com/4+1+3+2+Cabigao+b12+Man+U8ta...2621;;/fileinfo.html

Note: Dline is set at 8. If opposing team gets through or too dominant, reduce by 2 notches.
You can tweak CF to mixed if your player has low creativity. Also, target man supply to feet if your selected target man has lower heading and jumping values. Note this uses targetman and playmaker and both must be the AMC (middle). Pls post comments.

almatyfc

thanks! will try it now and tell you smthg

littlemoe_cc

Got intrigued by my formation almatyfc? I'm not making any promises! I hope it works. I know looks crazy and targetman and playmaker both on the AMC? Really crazy stuff. But this tactic is a work in progress. I first tried it as a lower league manager with Tamworth. My initial instructions were satisfying as my strikers and AMCs keep banging on the goals. I remember having over 100 goals in a season. But when i tried it Man Utd, it was successful at first then i hit roadblocks. This tactic is the latest update. I would like to inform you that this tactic is part of my 14 set tactics using staggered mentalities. I used tactic 12 as this was very successful against arsenal with me playing away in the last leg of the Semifinal in the champion's league. If you want, stagger the mentalities by one notch.

almatyfc

well, first game, Barcelona (us) 2-0 Sevilla.
Stats:
Shots on target: 8/19 vs 1/5
Possession: 52%
Passing: 65% to 59%

the attacking potential is really big, my players have used the AMC a lot (my choice was Ronladinho but he was injured, so I used Deco) but he has not caused much impact (only 2 shots, 0 assists). And the other AMCs really work as wingers with this width, to answer to your initial question (by the way, in your tactic passing was on short, I changed to direct to try your original recipe)
during the first half, Sevilla found it rather easy to reach our area, so I moved dline a bit back, and set tackling on medium (was on soft)

of course it is easy with Barcelona, but will continue trying the performance of this.
one idea: have you tried backarrowing one of the strikers, and using this one as targetman and playmaker, and then move one of the AMC to midfield (maybe for away games?)
thanks littlemoe, will keep you informed

littlemoe_cc

Don't change it! If you notice, all are on short passing except the GK, and all of the back four. This is because i considered your input about short passing and i tested it with my tactic. Setting everybody on direct passing was atrocious as the AI most of the time intercepts your passes. So after several tests, short passing except those back four and GK.

i think my D Line setting is wrong. Reduce it to two notches. This worked well against arsenal after several tests. Note: You can also tweak the mentalities of each player by one notch ( do u know kristianhor's set tactics?).

u mean the CBs and STs? The reason for that is i don't want the CB's conceding penalties and for the ST's making fouls up front and stopping play unnecessary. What do u think?

For the AMCs (the three) to really work in this set up, the ideal is that they must have strong physical attributes especially pace acceleration (15+), flair (15+), dribbling (15+), creativity (15+). Secondary considerations: OTB, passing, work rate, teamwork, determination.

Heading and jumping are important for the middle AMC (since he's a targetman), however, if his stats are poor, you can avoid this by setting "Target man supply" = "To feet". In this case, since deco's PPMs says that he likes ball played into feet, you could try this.

I looked up deco's attributes. The problem maybe is his lack of pace and acceleration, also his heading and jumping (if you didn't change the target man supply setting) I would suggest playing him on the right where his right foot is very strong. You can sacrifice a bit of pace and acceleration on the right and left AMCs. Also i noted that in Deco's PPMs, he comes deep to get the ball, i don't think that would be a great PPM for this AMC; instead look for a player not having that PPM. I prefer those with PPMs having "runs with the ball"

I would also like to ask even if he made only 2 shots and no assists, how was his passing game? Did he have a high passing percentage? Key passes? Tell me about this after you made the necessary changes in the tactic Thanks

i tried it with one of my strikers but i didn't move one AMC to the midfield. But the AI used that kind of formation with 1 striker, 3 AMCs, 2 MCs (not DM). When i tried it with my striker (this was before this new changes in the tactic), it wasn't that promising but i don't know if it would be good with this new tactic.