RevSaint

No this is not a bug list just my thoughts on what I have seen so far. I would like to hear feedback from other fans playing at the lower leagues to get their views.

1) My first issue relates to small teams in less respected countries. Take the likes of wales, ireland etc. It is next to impossible for clubs in this country to become feeder clubs for much larger ones. The issue i believe is the small clubs believe they are important which is only true in their league.

Any club in these division would in truth give their right arm to become a feeder club of a much larger one.

2) Following on from point one it is odd to note that most AI managers are at a national level. This has caused a few very odd managers taking control of these teams. How many clubs in the welsh permier are really run by spanish managers not many. These managers should be rated much lower. You cannot suggest a welsh manager of nation rep can compare to a spanish or english manager.

3) Grey Teams too good. Doing some scouting of the team below the very lowest leagues in the game I was shocked by how good their are. Playing the teams not even good enough to make the conference north/south you discover most of their players are better than yours. It appears to me gery teams have the same types of players ratings no matter what status they have. In other words the status of teams outside the leagues are just too high.

4) Games should be easier at the lower levels. Tactics play a much greater role in FM2007 while this is a good move is does cause some problems at the lower levels. The problem is as a big club your have all the reasources to hand, good scouts, large squads, etc. In real life the big teams have a mass of stats to hand etc. While in the lower leagues this is simply not the case. Detailed tactics simply do not matter as much at this level. The game should take this into account by making the effects of detailed tactical changes have less of an impact.

2ndchance

1) I agree, I have found my Fisher team reluctant to utilise a feeder club.

2&3) have not noticed this (am currently in season 2)

4) Without elaborating into tactics, my tactic is simplistic and so far has delivered success

RevSaint

5) to follow on from point 4. The increased level of tactics appear to cause one massive problem in defence.

Edited. Too much tactical information. We all want to understand FM tactics in our own ways (LFCfan)


6) Scouting should make some sense now. It is only right that lower teams would stuggle to find players in africa. However the game fails to take into account local knowledge. A scout in the lower leagues might not know much about african players but he knows a lot more about the lowers leagues than a premiership scout would. Scouts knoweledge should reflect what league level they are in.

Overall the advances in this game are good but only at the top end of the game. For the lower league managers it has become rather too hard I feel.

LFCfan

The chances of them becoming "feeder clubs" IRL are so remote as the quality of players produced there would not attract any larger clubs

Someone please translate that into englsh

There are many good players outside the Conf N/S. IRL, there would be many reasons why they aren't at a higher club - commutable distance for training would be an important one. Remember that most of those players would be part-timers and have another job


Wrong. The matches should be tough to win. The different style of play in the lower leagues means that the clubs will have some really hard battles. The tactics at lower levels are important as the skill level is much lower. Thus, having players who know their positions is going to be more difficult.

LFCfan

It's up to you to work out something that will rectify that problem.


Maybe in a future version, that will be factored in

It's a challenge. Learn how to cope with the new ways of the game and people will suddenly start saying "FM is too easy" again.

RevSaint

Not sure why you could not understand but I will try again.

Not all leagues are the same for example you cannot compare the quality of the welsh league one to that of the english or spanish.

A manager in the welsh league is hardly well know or respect on the world stage of football. You could argue that he is well know within the country but that does not make him a good manager.

In fm2007 the managers in the welsh league are rated as being at a national level and they compare on the same level as a english or spanish manager.

So a fair number of spanish managers in my game are taking over clubs in the welsh league. However this is silly the likehood of any spanish manager let alone a well known one (national repuation) being manager is zero. My point is the manager level of some country leagues is way to high.

Most of the managers in wales, ireland and many other small leagues is way too high.



Also my point about the game should be easier at the lower levels is based on real life. In truth being a manager at the lower levels should be easier as the managers around you are less able.

In terms of tactics, football knowledge etc playing against the lower leagues they have less time and resources. The manager of spurs will spend hours watching videos, his scounts will have full reports on all the players, tactics will be worked on weeks in advance.

The lower leagues are much different in many cases it results in a meeting thursday night to find out who is still fit and then turning up on the day.

However in terms of tactics the game presents no difference in playing slough verses playing spurs.

In simple terms the AI of the lower league managers are no more likey to make mistakes. Play the wrong style or players against you.

bell

I see what you mean.... the managers in Wales etc should probably be considered Local in their reputation folr the most part as the geographical area is still small...

LFCfan

I didn't understand it as it was poorly written.

Wakeylad

I am currently Scarborough in my first season. It is my first game on FM 07. As you all probably know Scarborough start the season with -10 points. So it is going to be hard to reach the media prediction of 3rd. I think its unrealistic to be honest. It shows on my mates games as Scarborough always get relegated in their first season.

What annoys me ost is that the board are on the verge of sacking me even though i have won 12 drawn 6 and lost 8. Even the top of the table have only won 14. I am sat in 14th and in with a chance of making the play-offs. But it seems the next time i will lose i am going to get the sack because they keep giving me vote of confidence and ultimatums.

Basically waht i am trying to say is that the board hav'nt got the -10 point deduction in their minds. It has'nt occurred to them that it's going to be hard in the first season to get them promoted again.

Anyone found this?

2ndchance

Hmm....

Surely they should of taken this into account,when calculating your predictions

Farnaborough, who also start with a significant point deduction finished 12th last season.

If it wasn't for their point deduction they would of just made the playoffs, although their manager was not sacked.