tomtuck01

Please bare with me on this and read on...............

As we all know there has been great contraversy over the the past year in the English Premiership regarding 3rd party ownership. Of course i am mainly talking about the Carlos Tevez transfer saga this summer between three parties; 1.Manchester United, 2.West Ham United, and 3.MSI (Media Sports Investment). And too a lesser extent, Javier Mascherano's move to West Ham, and then move to Liverpool.

Aswell there has been the 3rd party ownership deal with Valencia player, (and former everton target), Manuel Fernandes. Benfica held Fernsandes' registration, but only owned 50% of the player, and another sports investment company, (Global Sports Agency), held the other 50%, hence the high transfer fee Everton were prepared to pay, and that Valencia did pay.

Even Anderson LuÃ*s de Abreu Oliveira's (Anderson) transfer to Manchester United from FC Porto was dragged out as the English FA had to investigate the deal as he was not owned 100% by Porto.

Third party ownership is now coming into Euorpean football. Carlos Tevez is still owned by MSI and is only on a 2 year loan deal at Manchester United from MSI. Midfielder Rafael Moura who plays for Lorient is currently on loan from Fluminense, but rumour has it that he has nothing to do Fluminense and is actually on loan from MSI whom he signed a five year deal with in 2006. Carlos Alberto's deal with MSI was broken in the summer when he joined Werder Bremen for €7.8million. Last season he played for Corinthians (MSI's club) but was moved to Fluminense during the season.

MSI is a Sport Investment group and own Brazilian Club Corinthians Paulista. They currently own several players aswell as staff. Players currently involved with MSI playing at Corinthians are;

Marcelo Mattos
Gustavo Nery
Roger Galera Flores (currently on loan at Flamengo)

Argentinain dfender Sebastien Dominguez has now broken his deal with MSI and Corinthians and has moved to Estudiantes of Argentina.

MSI have taken several top South American players to Corinthians. In the past MSI took Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to Corinthians, and subsequently to West Ham United.

Even high profile manager Daniel Passarella has connections with MSI.

My point regarding Football Manager is, now that 3rd party ownership is coming more and more into European football, as well as already been a big part of South American football, are Sports Interactive going to somehow bring 3rd party ownership into the Football Manager series?

Dazza

Think you sum it up matey with the word Somehow. What is there to know or care about if you are a manager? you want a player, you bid for a player, you sign him on agreed terms, who or what is agents, owners are doesn't really care. somewhere there is a contract for a player to play for a club for a given number of years for x amount of pounds and thats it as far as a manager goes surely.

williamshankley

Think you sum it up matey with the word Somehow. What is there to know or care about if you are a manager? you want a player, you bid for a player, you sign him on agreed terms, who or what is agents, owners are doesn't really care. somewhere there is a contract for a player to play for a club for a given number of years for x amount of pounds and thats it as far as a manager goes surely. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I do feel he has a point though! If your a manager, for instance Alex Ferguson. There is every possibility Kia Joorbachian may move Tevez onto a Spanish Club in a few years! After all he is only loaned to Manchester United

tomtuck01

But its not just that, its the issuse with Manuel Fernanades aswell where the teams wanting to buy him were having to pay more because 2 parties, (Benfica and Global Sports Agency), both owned 50% of him.

As has already been said, Manchester United have only paid £5million for a 2 year loan deal ofv Carlos Tevez, with a future fee agreed. After these 2 years, they may decide not to purchase the rest of the player, and then Carlos Tevez would again be available for MSI to negotiate a deal with another club.

I just think that now it is starting to come into European football it should perhaps be part of the game.

jjnjnkj@hotmail.com

There does seem to be alot of Third Party Ownership Players that are currently being moved around, but only so much of the details regarding the ownerships have been revealed.

If it was possible for SI to include such a key part of the current transfer market that would be great, but due to the lack of knowledge about the ownerships, which possibly includes alot more players than currently known, it would surely be an impossible task.

Good idea all the same.

tomtuck01

You argue though that it could be pretty easy to implement.

MSI own numerous players, (as ive already mentioned), you simply have third party companies in game, and players can be bought by these parties and then offer them to various clubs for a certain price for a precentage of the player, and a seperate price for all the player.

In the case of Corinthians, when a third party owns a club, they buy certain players to there company, (Tevez and Mascherano at MSI), and they take them to their club, and then as last summer when they moved them to West Ham for free.

People say it will be hard to bring in, but actually could be pretty simple.

PMLF

MSI never owned Corinthians though. They just loaned their players to Corinthians as they had some kind of partnership.


It should have been included a long time ago, when the SA leagues were included. No need to wait for it to become common in Europe.

tomtuck01

Sorry, they dont own Corinthians, they just have a large control over the club as it says here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Sports_Investment The first 2 lines are all you need to read.

PMLF

Sorry, they dont own Corinthians, they just have a large control over the club as it says here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Sports_Investment The first 2 lines are all you need to read. </BLOCKQUOTE>

This article is pretty outdated.

What Corinthians and MSI did was an agreement in which MSI would run the football section of Corinthians (not the whole club) for 10 years and they would share the revenue while MSI would pay all the expenses and the debts.

But this deal is gone now because neither Corinthians nor MSI respected the terms of their contract.

Obs: Corinthians, and almost all Brazilian clubs, is like Barcelona, nobody can own or buy the club.

tomtuck01

To be fair, you're in Brazil, you should know more about this than me, iam just writing as to what i have found on the net. But im sure we can agree that MSI had a large part to play in Corinthians for a good couple of years.

I think most of what I have said before had the point I was trying to raise, and that is that 3rd party ownership should be in Football Manager. This thread wasn't made just to be about Corinthians and MSI, though there is a large focus on the relationship between both of them in what I was trying to say.