retired_mgmgfns3

(Originally posted in GQ by FM noob in training )
"ive decided to take this aproach on my ever frustrating voyage of taking Man U or Arsenal to 10-9-19, i lost 6 games at Highbury.the best ive ever done is 11-7-12 in the prem. so ive stopped even trying to fix my own tactics. im using user created tactics.

ive found that the Computer when its not a big time manager uses a very cookie cutter aproach with a few exeptions(Fulham for example)and i can find dominance with certain tactics against certain tactics

so ive now figured it out i believe. players are basically only for vanity its all about knowing the tactic to counter the tactic change by the CPU, now id like to put it out there the guide to exactly which tactics slay which tactics

so far all i know is that a defensive 4-1-4-1 with short farrows for the wingers can dominate the menace that is the 4-2-4 but how do i break the 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 3-5-2 4-in all 3 mediums Attack(home if you perfer)Defend(Away) and Counter."

retired_mgmgfns3

My personal opnion is that he's got a good idea, but needs to give more details on his 4-1-4-1 formation (I use a defensive 4-2-3-1 with lots of time wasting and long passing/counter against CPU's 4-2-4 to good effect, score more often than I conncede)

retired_B-Scott

I dont agree players arfe just for vanity nut I have done some work in my own games looking at which formations counter the AI set up, these are some of my findings

Obviously each tactic is different and someone elses 442 could be wildly different than mine and result in a very different match up, but I have found matching against the AI formation the most succesful approach

4312

Deadly Against
AI 442 (with 2 small MR/ML farrows)*do not confuse with the defensive 442 variation (they look the same)
AI 442 (with 2 long MR/ML farrows)

Effective against:
AI 442 (No arrows)*do not confuse with the defensive 442 variation (they look the same)
AI 4222 (2DM, 2 wide AM, 2FW)
AI 532 (wingbacks farrows r/l, 3MC 2FW)*high scoring
AI 51211 (wingsbacks, 1DM, 2 MC)
AI 5131 (wingbacks, 1 DM, 3 central MC)

Mixed Results Against:
AI 442 defensive (no arrows)
AI 442 defensive (with 2 small MR/ML farrows)
AI 4141 (no arrows)
AI 532 defensive (Wingbacks 1DM 2MC, no arrows)
AI 532 (wingbacks farrows r/l, 1DM 2MC)

Poor against:
AI 352 (3 DC, 5 flat midfield)
AI 40231 (2MC, 3AMC)
AI 424


442

Effective against:
AI 442 (no arrows)
AI 442 Defensive (no arrows)
AI 442 Defensive (with 2 small MR/ML farrows)
AI 424 (2MC 4 FW)
AI 4141 (no arrows)

Mixed Results Against:
AI 532 (Wingbacks, 3MC, no arrows)
AI 352 (3 DC, 5 flat midfield)

Poor against:
AI 51211 (Wingbacks, 1DM, 2MC)
AI 5131 (Wingbacks 1DM)


451

Effective against:
AI 442 (with 2 small MR/ML farrows)
AI 442 (with 2 long MR/ML farrows)
AI 442 defensive (no arrows)
AI 4141 (no arrows)

Mixed Results Against:
AI 51211 (Wingbacks, 1DM, 2 MC)
AI 532 (Wingbacks, 3MC)
AI 442 defensive (with 2 short MR/ML farrows)

Poor against:
AI 442 (no arrows)
AI 352 (3 DC, 5 flat midfield)
AI 40231 (2MC, 3AMC)

retired_jojo2222

sounds like a similar tactic to the one i use ill post some screens when i get the chance

retired_jojo2222

thank you socks, its a point i can use to jump from and i apreshiate it, i assume your using your posted tactics.

retired_B-Scott

no worries, yes all this data is based on my default tactics and tested over 20 seasons, absoloutely no idea if this works with others peoples formations though it would be intersting to see if there is a correlation, regardless of team and indivdual team settings.